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Old 04-02-2015, 01:47 PM
 
Location: North America
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No, they do not. Show me where SCOTUS struck down the First Amendment:

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances."
Sherbert v. Verner - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia They never did, they simply ruled in which instances that the government might burden those rights. Your adherence to originalism is cute, but not relevant in the modern age. The fact that one cannot use religious beliefs to discriminate should have told you that one.

 
Old 04-02-2015, 01:49 PM
 
Location: TUS/PDX
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Funny, this was the fourth result on my google search.


http://m.yelp.com/biz/13th-street-go...a-philadelphia


But if you can't find one thats gay owned, I seriously doubt that you couldn't easily find any number of pizzeria's that would be happy to provide a gay wedding with as many pizzas as you'd care to order.
I think it's wonderful that somewhere in the vast, cavernous server racks of Google there's now an indelible data point linking you with an inquiry for "Big Gay Pizza Parlor". What will the good parishioners think when news of this gets out? Discriminatory retribution? Good luck pal, you're now marked for life...
 
Old 04-02-2015, 01:49 PM
 
Location: Riding the light...
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If you can't recognize that the landscape has changed in the twenty two years since that law was passed than you should not be in politics. So no, it was not hard to have seen that the reaction was not going to be positive.I don't have an issue with them getting money either. As far as I am concerned one should not be punished for an opinion.
That's a good point. Today Drudge headline is "MUSLIMS TO OUTNUMBER CHRISTIANS 'IN 50 YEARS". Yeah, like so what, too bad for Christians. But then the question, 'Who's party is going to win Congress when Christians are out voted?' Observation... not Hillary

Un-hunh. Then, when Muslim leaning agnostics are running Congress what is a gay liberal going to do about Sharia? And with that Muslim majority applying the rules, the argument about 'unconstitutional' is going to float about as well as a day old turd in the DC swamp.

So I'll ask, where do you want that landscape twenty two years from today?
 
Old 04-02-2015, 01:51 PM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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Sorry. The Commerce Clause says differently.
Where does the commerce clause address the First Amendment?
 
Old 04-02-2015, 01:51 PM
 
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That's a good point. Today Drudge headline is "MUSLIMS TO OUTNUMBER CHRISTIANS 'IN 50 YEARS". Yeah, like so what, too bad for Christians. But then the question, 'Who's party is going to win Congress when Christians are out voted?' Observation... not Hillary

Un-hunh. Then, when Muslim leaning agnostics are running Congress what is a gay liberal going to do about Sharia? And with that Muslim majority applying the rules, the argument about 'unconstitutional' is going to float about as well as a day old turd in the DC swamp.

So I'll ask, where do you want that landscape twenty two years from today?
The same as you have today, just with more multi cultural people is all. I seriously doubt the parties will be much different, beyond the lost influence of the religious it the Republican party.
 
Old 04-02-2015, 01:55 PM
 
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Yeah, God isn't worried about violence in the middle east or Christians being slain in Libya. He is concerned with Memories Pizza in Indiana .
The Lord is able to multitask without a problem.
 
Old 04-02-2015, 01:57 PM
 
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Sherbert v. Verner - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia They never did, they simply ruled in which instances that the government might burden those rights. Your adherence to originalism is cute, but not relevant in the modern age. The fact that one cannot use religious beliefs to discriminate should have told you that one.
What would be the state's compelling interest?
 
Old 04-02-2015, 01:57 PM
 
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No, they do not. Show me where SCOTUS struck down the First Amendment:

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances."
"The right of free exercise does not relieve an individual of the obligation to comply with a valid and neutral law of general applicability on the ground that the law proscribes (or prescribes) conduct that his religion prescribes (or proscribes) ... The mere possession of religious convictions which contradict the relevant concerns of a political society does not relieve the citizen from the discharge of political responsibilities ... To make an individual's obligation to obey such a law contingent upon the law's coincidence with his religious beliefs, permitting him, by virtue of his beliefs, "to become a law unto himself," contradicts both constitutional tradition and common sense ... Any society adopting such a system would be courting anarchy."

- Justice Antonin Scalia (speaking for the Supreme Court)


edit: from the same opinion:

"Laws are made for the government of actions, and while they cannot interfere with mere religious belief and opinions, they may with practices. . . . Can a man excuse his practices to the contrary because of his religious belief? To permit this would be to make the professed doctrines of religious belief superior to the law of the land, and in effect to permit every citizen to become a law unto himself."
 
Old 04-02-2015, 02:00 PM
 
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That's a good point. Today Drudge headline is "MUSLIMS TO OUTNUMBER CHRISTIANS 'IN 50 YEARS". Yeah, like so what, too bad for Christians. But then the question, 'Who's party is going to win Congress when Christians are out voted?'
"MUSLIMS TO OUTNUMBER CHRISTIANS 'IN 50 YEARS"
That is worldwide - not in the US.
 
Old 04-02-2015, 02:00 PM
 
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"The right of free exercise does not relieve an individual of the obligation to comply with a valid and neutral law of general applicability on the ground that the law proscribes (or prescribes) conduct that his religion prescribes (or proscribes) ... The mere possession of religious convictions which contradict the relevant concerns of a political society does not relieve the citizen from the discharge of political responsibilities ... To make an individual's obligation to obey such a law contingent upon the law's coincidence with his religious beliefs, permitting him, by virtue of his beliefs, "to become a law unto himself," contradicts both constitutional tradition and common sense ... Any society adopting such a system would be courting anarchy."

- Justice Antonin Scalia (speaking for the Supreme Court)
Forcing someone to violate their religion is not a neutral law.
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