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There is no way one is worth $15 to work fast food but posts like this are incredibly stupid. We would likely agree that fast food jobs provide a needed service as a introductory job to give people experience in the job market. Just because someone has to work on initial job it does not make them a incompetent slug. It makes them pretty normal.
so you are saying that when I as the order taker for 2 hamburgers NO MUSTARD, and they give me it with mustard...that's competence
last week I walked from the barracks to the taco-bell trailer a half mile...asked for a very simple order...2 chicken soft tacos with onion...... walked back to the barracks to find they handed me 2 chopmeat(beef) soft taco's with no onion.....
these fast food workers of today.....incompetent slugs............... yes I said ...incompetence......
Been hashed to death on this and every other political/controversy forum on the Internet. Two camps, and none of the inhabitants of either will budge an inch on their beliefs.
Camp 1 - You, me, the author of that article, and all the other folks who think simply doubling the minimum wage is economically and socially catastrophic. All manner of economic reasoning behind our thinking, lots of stuff that makes sense to us and makes it a no brainer to tell these FightFor15 knuckleheads to go pound sand. This is individualist camp that says where you finish in the race is based on how fast you run. It's a world where the individual is in charge of their circumstance, to succeed or fail as their efforts so dictate. Earn your reward before you are actually rewarded.
Camp 2 - Everyone deserves a comfortable living and a good life, no matter what their actual input is. From each according to their ability, to each according to their need. Because all human lives are equally valuable, all work should be equally valued. Give the angry Burger King thugette $15 an hour and she'd be so happy to be at BK that she would have been much more pleasant to the girl asking for a refund. It's a world where the collective determines your destiny, and all of us should be ensuring that everyone is comfy. Reward me first, and then I'll be motivated to actually earn the reward.
In every thread, people choose one of those two camps, and then just hurl insults at one another across the chasm none of us will ever traverse. Luckily for our economic health, Camp 1 vastly outnumbers Camp 2 right now. Woe be unto us when the reverse becomes true. Just ask the USSR for how well it works out.
I am in camp 3. I think everyone deserves a fabulous life and the minimum wage should be at $150/hour. Let them screw themselves harder and beout of jobs faster!
I have seen many far left leaders supporting a $15/hr minimum wage, such as NYC mayor diblassio and his city council leader mellisa mark viverto (who has pushed extremely dangerous ideas forward) amongst many others.
My question - aren't higher free market wages for low skill jobs in direct conflict with their support of bringing tens of millions of unskilled, uneducated illegal immigrants into this country. Why would wages rise for these positions when there are millions of extra unskilled laborers (almost artificially) pushing labor costs down?
Say I am a small business owner in NYC, which has openly supported the mass immigration and harboring of millions of unskilled, uneducated laborers. I need someone to clean the floors at my bodega. If there are a million less unskilled illegals willing to do this job for $5/hr, maybe I have to pay no-college jimmy America from the neighborhood $12/hr bc no one is willing to do the job for less.
Are there flaws in my thinking? I can't understand how people don't hammer the political leaders on points like this. Who is going to employ Juan Mexico at $15/hr when he doesn't provide $15/hr of value to the business? And full disclaimer, as in my opinion, the republicans have not done enough to thwart illegal immigration either. The immigration process is too difficult for people who can bring value to our country, and unfairly rewards those who exploit the system.
so you are saying that when I as the order taker for 2 hamburgers NO MUSTARD, and they give me it with mustard...that's competence
That happens every time? You never, ever make a mistake? Even while walking on water? Yes it's frustrating but it's a part of the learning experience.
Then of course there will be a few who just do not care. They do not represent the whole. Many, many, many successful people have worked fast food at some point.
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last week I walked from the barracks to the taco-bell trailer a half mile...asked for a very simple order...2 chicken soft tacos with onion...... walked back to the barracks to find they handed me 2 chopmeat(beef) soft taco's with no onion.....
these fast food workers of today.....incompetent slugs............... yes I said ...incompetence......
MHO
There have been many stereotypes concerning those who work in barracks also.
I have seen many far left leaders supporting a $15/hr minimum wage, such as NYC mayor diblassio and his city council leader mellisa mark viverto (who has pushed extremely dangerous ideas forward) amongst many others.
My question - aren't higher free market wages for low skill jobs in direct conflict with their support of bringing tens of millions of unskilled, uneducated illegal immigrants into this country. Why would wages rise for these positions when there are millions of extra unskilled laborers (almost artificially) pushing labor costs down?
Say I am a small business owner in NYC, which has openly supported the mass immigration and harboring of millions of unskilled, uneducated laborers. I need someone to clean the floors at my bodega. If there are a million less unskilled illegals willing to do this job for $5/hr, maybe I have to pay no-college jimmy America from the neighborhood $12/hr bc no one is willing to do the job for less.
Are there flaws in my thinking? I can't understand how people don't hammer the political leaders on points like this. Who is going to employ Juan Mexico at $15/hr when he doesn't provide $15/hr of value to the business? And full disclaimer, as in my opinion, the republicans have not done enough to thwart illegal immigration either. The immigration process is too difficult for people who can bring value to our country, and unfairly rewards those who exploit the system.
I think the reasoning flows in the other direction:
If you support amnesty, open borders, and unfettered immigration, the natural consequence is to undermine wages, therefore more government and more socialism is necessary in order to protect workers.
Wife and I stopped at a national chain "fast food" place because we needed a quick meal due to time restraints.
Wife ordered a 1/3 lb. cheeseburger meal to eat in and ala carte chicken fingers to go with honey mustard sauce.
I ordered a 1/2 pound mushroom/swiss burger meal to eat in.
After a considerable wait (we could just as well have gone across the street to Perkins and had a real meal!), we got our food.
Wife had a 1/2 pound cheeseburger and chicken fingers in a basket (NOT to go).
I had a 1/3 pound mushroom/swiss burger.
Due to the previously mentioned time restraints, we chose to not make an issue of the problems. We had the chicken fingers bagged to go, ate our burgers, and left.
THESE are the people who want $15 per hour?
I don't think they are worth that much!
In fact, I question if they are worth the nine or ten dollars per hour they are getting.
By the way, this happened yesterday evening.
No, the place was not busy when we ordered.
Yes, there was a surge a few minutes after we ordered.
i think minimum was should be abolish , we do we need government telling us how much to pay, oh yea that way they control how much taxes are taken in, that why they are pushing $15 a hour, more tax money
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Far left supporting $15/hr minimum wage
