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The Romans, Mongols, Russians, Persians, Ottomans, and hegemons thought the same thing before their respective "empires" fell.
Actually, situation in Puerto Rico is more indicative of the decline of the "American empire," not of the failure of a small, independent nation.
If the leaders of a independent Hawaiʻi were well-versed, they could choose to emulate the "Singapore model" of economic development.
Puerto Rico's problem is not a status problem ... it's a spending problem.
Furthermore most people who support independence in Hawaii and Puerto Rico are not well versed ... that's why they are separatists. They have fairy tale delusions of romantic dreams, not logic.
When I read that native Hawaiians (Polynesians) drove off the people who were originally there (a native race of dimunitive stature according to their only folklore) only a few hundred years before the blue eyed devils showed up, I found their claim to it as "their" land to be suspect just as much as it belongs to the United States. What difference is 50 years or 500 years? The current natives have not been on that land for 1,000's of years either.
I say, no problem. Just don't expect to be Ameicans, and no pension, SS or any other benefits. Sounds like a win-win for the USA.
Win is the Native Hawaiian Kingdom. Lose is the Industrial Military Complex. I hope you understand the Korporate United States Of Amerika cannot afford to pay its bills. especially big bill called military spending.
how is my pension tied to the US? clue... its not. If you taking the ponzi scheme call Social Security it aint going to happen thats insolvent...
FYI most people have a 401k and thats tied to the stock market. Again when the US economy tanks, I will be sayings its a win win situation!!! wall street wins and the US.
Once the US leaves they can pay for the clean up of all the military instalation that they polluted as well as cleaning up the Depleted Uranium. After thats done we can rent the bases out to Russia? or any one who will pay fair market value.
Win win I agree HKG will be the bigger winner..
Last edited by CaseyB; 08-06-2015 at 02:02 PM..
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When I read that native Hawaiians (Polynesians) drove off the people who were originally there (a native race of dimunitive stature according to their only folklore) only a few hundred years before the blue eyed devils showed up, I found their claim to it as "their" land to be suspect just as much as it belongs to the United States. What difference is 50 years or 500 years? The current natives have not been on that land for 1,000's of years either.
can you tell me when and who drove who off?? source?
Furthermore most people who support independence in Hawaii and Puerto Rico are not well versed ... that's why they are separatists. They have fairy tale delusions of romantic dreams, not logic.
If that's the case, quite a few professors at the University of Hawaiʻi and the University of Puerto Rico (Universidad de Puerto Rico) shouldn't be teaching law, history, and political science. While some individuals that lump together Hawaiian independence supporters and Puerto Rican independence supporters aren't particularly "well-versed," thereʻs little correlation between being "well-versed" and being a "separatist."
can you tell me when and who drove who off?? source?
From Wikipedia:
Origins
One hypothesis is that the first Polynesians arrived in Hawaiʻi in the 3rd century from the Marquesas and were followed by Tahitians in AD 1300, who conquered the original inhabitants. Another is that a single, extended period of settlement populated the islands.[SIZE=2][7][/SIZE] Evidence for a Tahitian conquest of the islands include the legends of Hawaiʻiloa and the navigator-priest Paʻao, who is said to have made a voyage between Hawaiʻi and the island of "Kahiki" (Tahiti) and introduced many customs. Early historians, Fornander and Beckwith, subscribed to this Tahitian invasion theory, but later historians, such as Kirch, do not mention it.[SIZE=2][citation needed] [/SIZE]King Kalakaua claims that Paʻao was from the South Pacific. Some writers[SIZE=2][which?] claim that other settlers in Hawaiʻi were forced back into remote valleys by newer arrivals. They claim that stories about the [/SIZE]Menehune, little people who built heiau and fishponds, prove the existence of ancient peoples who settled the islands before the Hawaiian
So evidence points to arrival of the current Hawaiians are most likely Tahitians who arrived in 1300...so 1300 is more significant than the 1700's or 1959 in what way? The difference is a blip on the radar.
Of course, Wikipedia is anti-Hawaiian propaganda dreamed up by the white man to make Hawaiians claims of thousands of years on the islands seem exaggerated.
The Romans, Mongols, Russians, Persians, Ottomans, and hegemons thought the same thing before their respective "empires" fell.
Actually, situation in Puerto Rico is more indicative of the decline of the "American empire," not of the failure of a small, independent nation.
If the leaders of a independent Hawaiʻi were well-versed, they could choose to emulate the "Singapore model" of economic development.
LOL! Hawaii like Singapore? Yea sure...
But please, go ahead and go your own way. I have no problem with it.
Too bad 97.5% of Hawaiian residents do have a problem with it, but well ...
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