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This is so sick, twisted and bizarre. Extremely shocked by this announcement. I always used to wonder if there would ever be a gay Duggar, well maybe, but we out there there is Duggar who is a sexual deviant with disgusting behavior. Really sick to my stomach from this ****.
Scroll this thread and use the internet to research just how much advice they've given to others, how they've used their names, faces and fame to push their own agenda and how they positioned themselves as experts on morality and righteousness. The Duggars may not have proclaimed perfection and omniscience but they pandered to those who believed in the propriety and character of the family as they portrayed themselves.
Not being perfect does not mean someone's agenda or all the advice they've given has no merit or benefit. That's like saying all the good done by someone working with addicts was wrong because their own child ended up overdosing on heroin.
Listen, I think these people could easily be the grand marshalls of a whack-a-doodle parade and believe the best course of action to take when they appear on my TV screen is to turn the channel. I am NOT a fan. However, I suspect in their minds, these people probably honestly believe that their son prayed the pervertedness right out of his soul and all those homosexuals could do the same if they just confessed their sins and prayed too. Just like you, they most likely honestly feel they are justified in their hypocrisy because they, like you, believe the other people are just morally wrong. I totally get why both sides feel the way they do. They are entitled to their opinions, they are entitled to be idiots, and all the rest of us are entitled to roll our collective eyes at them. What nobody is entitled to do is re-victimize people for crimes committed against them as children and what no one should do is celebrate their humiliation. And, make no mistake, those girls are probably feeling a great deal of humiliation right now.
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Not being perfect does not mean someone's agenda or all the advice they've given has no merit or benefit. That's like saying all the good done by someone working with addicts was wrong because their own child ended up overdosing on heroin.
No sorry. Michelle had the audacity last year to say that trans persons would most likely molest their own children. The trans community has the highest rate of suicide, has the highest rate of family rejection, and Ma and the FRC making up bs like that had a huge negative impact on the trans community. If you are going to be a spokesperson and potentially devastate someone's life based on nothing but fairy tails and poppycock you better believe their is going to be a massive backlash if that is exactly what is going on in your very own family. Sanctimonious hatesmith doesn't even come close.
No sorry. Michelle had the audacity last year to say that trans persons would most likely molest their own children. The trans community has the highest rate of suicide, has the highest rate of family rejection, and Ma and the FRC making up bs like that had a huge negative impact on the trans community. If you are going to be a spokesperson and potentially devastate someone's life based on nothing but fairy tails and poppycock you better believe their is going to be a massive backlash if that is exactly what is going on in your very own family. Sanctimonious hatesmith doesn't even come close.
But now you are getting into specific issues which I care nothing about. I simply said that not being perfect does not mean one's agenda or advice is inherently wrong. I have no idea what anyone said about trans people and frankly don't care.
No sorry. Michelle had the audacity last year to say that trans persons would most likely molest their own children. The trans community has the highest rate of suicide, has the highest rate of family rejection, and Ma and the FRC making up bs like that had a huge negative impact on the trans community. If you are going to be a spokesperson and potentially devastate someone's life based on nothing but fairy tails and poppycock you better believe their is going to be a massive backlash if that is exactly what is going on in your very own family. Sanctimonious hatesmith doesn't even come close.
Maybe Josh is a transexual too so she felt from experience ..... Okay, that was probably tasteless, not to mention inappropriate, on my part. Seriously, though, as the old saying goes, two wrongs have never made a right.
My issue with this whole thing is that since it involved juveniles, both as perp and victims, it should have never been released to the public, especially since it had easily identifiable victims. I have had to convince students the age the girls were to report assaults. One of things that makes them balk is fear of people finding out what happened to them, so one of the things they need to be assured of is that there will be confidentiality. I have always been able to assure them in the past that their status as minors will prevent it from ever being reported in the news. Won't be able to do that again, now will I?
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I know women who've been raped who want their names in the paper and the paper won't publish them. Don't assume abuse victims don't want their names in out there. Some feel putting their names out there will help others, take away stigma and take attention away from the perpetrator.
I'm a survivor of childhood sexual abuse (not by a relative).
Nobody knows about it except my parents, my rabbi, and my ex-husband.
It isn't because I am ashamed of it; I did nothing wrong. It's because I do not want to be defined by it.
I've read multiple posts talking about well he got help or they tried to get him help, blah blah blah. So hey it's terrible but....
That keeps ringing in my head, loudly - as it has with the mess the Josh and his wife are spouting. The issue, for me is, whether or not he's a pedophile he has some very obvious sexual predilections. Being 14/15 does not change that. His predilections toward little girls are unlikely to have change as he's aged. Those are simply the facts as we know them in regards to such predilections and yes, pedophiles.
Worse, at this time there is zero cure that we know of for such behavior. Real therapy is iffy at best. Pills to inhibit the sex drive and chemical castration are the only things we know of that actual curb these urges. So yea, sorry, his apology means diddly to me. Saying he received counseling for a few months so all is well and he didn't mean to makes me twitch like no tomorrow.
It does seem like many are willing to cut him a break for whatever reason (age being one; apologies being another) that they likely would not cut for some random stranger who made the news. I don't believe Huckabee would come out and defend random John Doe if he'd done any of this but because he is known and he prayed and apologized, it's somehow different.
I've read multiple posts talking about well he got help or they tried to get him help, blah blah blah. So hey it's terrible but....
That keeps ringing in my head, loudly - as it has with the mess the Josh and his wife are spouting. The issue, for me is, whether or not he's a pedophile he has some very obvious sexual predilections. Being 14/15 does not change that. His predilections toward little girls are unlikely to have change as he's aged. Those are simply the facts as we know them in regards to such predilections and yes, pedophiles.
Worse, at this time there is zero cure that we know of for such behavior. Real therapy is iffy at best. Pills to inhibit the sex drive and chemical castration are the only things we know of that actual curb these urges. So yea, sorry, his apology means diddly to me. Saying he received counseling for a few months so all is well and he didn't mean to makes me twitch like no tomorrow.
It does seem like many are willing to cut him a break for whatever reason (age being one; apologies being another) that they likely would not cut for some random stranger who made the news. I don't believe Huckabee would come out and defend random John Doe if he'd done any of this but because he is known and he prayed and apologized, it's somehow different.
His age at the time of the events is something that has to be taken into account. No doubt, you are right, some are excusing him when they wouldn't some random stranger. But, I also think he is being judged far harsher than some unknown 14 year-old, who allegedly has not re offended, would have been by some people. I think this is one of those pendulums that can go either way.
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His age at the time of the events is something that has to be taken into account. No doubt, you are right, some are excusing him when they wouldn't some random stranger. But, I also think he is being judged far harsher than some unknown 14 year-old, who allegedly has not re offended, would have been by some people. I think this is one of those pendulums that can go either way.
The naysayers and stone-throwers will continue their hate-filled mindsets of the entire Duggar clan. This latest revelation that occurred twelve years ago just adds fuel to their hate.
I would never condone anyone who sexually abused another individual; however if such an individual were remorseful and made amends, that would be very positive. However, again, those who are filled with passion to judge others no matter how much they improve are very cold hearted and hopefully they never make one mistake in their lives and expect forgiveness.
The naysayers and stone-throwers will continue their hate-filled mindsets of the entire Duggar clan. This latest revelation that occurred twelve years ago just adds fuel to their hate.
I would never condone anyone who sexually abused another individual; however if such an individual were remorseful and made amends, that would be very positive. However, again, those who are filled with passion to judge others no matter how much they improve are very cold hearted and hopefully they never make one mistake in their lives and expect forgiveness.
IF I have to read one more time how sexual assault is a "mistake" I'm going to scream. A mistake is accidentally throwing a red tee shirt into the washer with whites. Sexually assaulting one's little sisters and others is not a mistake. Parents covering it up, is not a mistake. Parents choosing to not get counseling but rather having someone (whom had since been convicted of having child porn) "talk" to the kid is not a mistake. When I read of people excusing this, whom are they thinking of? Josh just didn't know any better. Josh. There were victims, IN THE SAME FAMILY.
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