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Old 08-14-2015, 07:05 PM
 
Location: North America
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You're avoiding the question. It's not a real scenario. It's an attempt to understand your logic. Where do you draw the line? How do you define things?

If a person had nobody that cares, would it be okay to murder him.
You define them by determining what someone else does with their body is not your business. It's as simple as that.

 
Old 08-14-2015, 07:11 PM
 
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You define them by determining what someone else does with their body is not your business. It's as simple as that.
What about what you do to another body? Why does it have no value?
 
Old 08-14-2015, 07:16 PM
 
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Why is viability the point that matters? Is the life somehow different? Did the baby get extra life points because technology advances?

Is the baby alive before she's viable? But their life just happens to be worthless before that point? Why?

Do you believe that life is a fundamental human right? Is it stepping over the line when someone wants to protect the mist important of fundamental human rights?

You keep stating that the woman's right to kill trumps the baby's right to survive. But you have never really given a detailed explanation as to why.
the law defines it for you. viability is what the line is. yes viability does make it a life and not just potential life.

doesn't matter if the baby is "alive" before it is viable, it is still only potential life until it is born and no longer dependent.

it is stepping over the line when you want to deny a woman her right to privacy and tell her she can't control her own body as she see's fit.

a woman has the right to "kill" because it grows in her body. she has a right to say what happens to her body, if she wants to grow something in it or not.

not your business, plain and simple.
 
Old 08-14-2015, 07:18 PM
 
Location: North America
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What about what you do to another body? Why does it have no value?
Never said it didn't have value. It's value does not trump a woman's emotional and mental well being is all.
 
Old 08-14-2015, 07:19 PM
 
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What about what you do to another body? Why does it have no value?
in the womb it is potential life and a woman has a right to privacy and the ability to control her own body. once you are born all laws that protect human life apply.
 
Old 08-14-2015, 07:32 PM
 
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the law defines it for you. viability is what the line is. yes viability does make it a life and not just potential life.

doesn't matter if the baby is "alive" before it is viable, it is still only potential life until it is born and no longer dependent.

it is stepping over the line when you want to deny a woman her right to privacy and tell her she can't control her own body as she see's fit.

a woman has the right to "kill" because it grows in her body. she has a right to say what happens to her body, if she wants to grow something in it or not.

not your business, plain and simple.
Ok. So you choose to use the law to define the worth and value of life?

What about in countries where the value of a woman's life is deemed less than a man? Is it okay because it's the law? Or does morality exist outside the law?

So you think that it "doesn't matter" if the baby is alive before she may be viable. So you are openly admitting that it's okay with you to kill what may very well be a life because it doesn't really matter to you if the baby is alive.

At least we have clarity in your position.

Killing = okay as long as it's legal. The life of the baby isn't really about scientific life. The definition of life, and its value is purely a legal matter.

Killing = nobody else's business
 
Old 08-14-2015, 07:40 PM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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Making the choice to kill another... yeah.

At various points on this forum you've acknowledged that even at times you admit the baby is alive, you dont care. You also just mentioned that you don't care about the baby's innocence.

Anyone that realizes that the baby is a live being, but thinks that the protection of that life is offensive is pretty extreme.
Oh looks, your twisting my words.
 
Old 08-14-2015, 07:45 PM
 
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Ok. So you choose to use the law to define the worth and value of life?

What about in countries where the value of a woman's life is deemed less than a man? Is it okay because it's the law? Or does morality exist outside the law?

So you think that it "doesn't matter" if the baby is alive before she may be viable. So you are openly admitting that it's okay with you to kill what may very well be a life because it doesn't really matter to you if the baby is alive.

At least we have clarity in your position.

Killing = okay as long as it's legal. The life of the baby isn't really about scientific life. The definition of life, and its value is purely a legal matter.

Killing = nobody else's business
you attribute my values from your own assumptions. I am pro choice. I don't worry about why a woman might pick abortion, nor do I worry if it is alive, or worthy or any other thing. it is not my business. every woman in America can make their own choice. I have no qualms with what ever reasons she may have.

again you bring up women in other countries that are already living and not inside one woman's womb. stay on topic, it is not comparable. trying to connect these scenarios doesn't make them comparable.

"killing" means a wide range of things. are you a vegetarian? support our military? again trying to connect the words of your choice doesn't make it correct usage.
 
Old 08-14-2015, 08:23 PM
 
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Oh looks, your twisting my words.
What was twisted? Maybe you'd like to clarify?

What was incorrect?
 
Old 08-14-2015, 08:24 PM
 
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you attribute my values from your own assumptions. I am pro choice. I don't worry about why a woman might pick abortion, nor do I worry if it is alive, or worthy or any other thing. it is not my business. every woman in America can make their own choice. I have no qualms with what ever reasons she may have.

again you bring up women in other countries that are already living and not inside one woman's womb. stay on topic, it is not comparable. trying to connect these scenarios doesn't make them comparable.

"killing" means a wide range of things. are you a vegetarian? support our military? again trying to connect the words of your choice doesn't make it correct usage.
Everything I bring up is for consistency. I'm checking for consistency in your belief system.

You avoid it of course.
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