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Hillary doesn't even acknowledge the Constitutional right to keep and bear arms, as conveyed in her recent statement that the Supreme Court "got it wrong" on the 2nd Amendment....
How could I ever trust that someone will find ways to keep guns out of the wrong hands while at the same time respect 2A rights, when they don't even acknowledge those rights exist? I'd rather go with a 2A absolutist who doesn't want any laws rather than someone who doesn't even recognize our 2A for the individual right that it is.
Again, please! Surely we all know better, we know this is not about Hillary or anyone else for that matter. This issue is about tightening gun control laws -- that are Constitutionally sound -- until there are no more such laws that can be passed. Only then can we have real peace about this issue. Gun enthusiasts can continue to do their gun thing and gun control advocates will have nothing more to reasonably advocate. That's where we need to land.
You copy/paste only one part of my comment to complain, apparently not reading the whole comment.
I answered your full statements. I cut it up to answer each part separately.
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I don't get that, but clearly we have the SCTUS to insure we don't pass laws that are not in accordance with the Constitution. I have little patience arguing with gun enthusiasts who act as if they are the only ones who believe in upholding the Constitution, pretending they are Constitutional scholars. No matter how many times or how many ways it is explained that these tighter gun control measures ARE NOT UNCONSTITUTIONAL.
Enough said?
I see, it's cool for you to "claim" something but not for others. I understand you don't want to address my replies to your points.
Guns are highly regulated and kept at home. People are not obsessed with defense.
No it wouldn't. People are enlisted and issued a rifle - they don't teach 9 year old kids to use them. The regulations around them are much much tougher than here. And Switzerland is about as close as it gets..
I concede on the point that Brits are not entirely prohibited from owning guns but not on the point that Brits are more restricted in said ownership and thus not as free as Americans!
Unless I am mistaken, Brits do not enjoy the same level of free speech as Americans, either. So, you know what that means!
I answered your full statements. I cut it up to answer each part separately.
I see, it's cool for you to "claim" something but not for others. I understand you don't want to address my replies to your points.
What am I "claiming" that we can't all agree upon? That we have the SCTUS to address the Constitutionality of legislation? I have trouble following you...
If I "claim" something that anyone feels is not true or unreasonable, I am more than glad to have this pointed out and learn why. In the same spirit, when I see others making unsubstantiated claims or claiming falsehoods, I say so.
I concede on the point that Brits are not entirely prohibited from owning guns but not on the point that Brits are more restricted in said ownership and thus not as free as Americans!
Unless I am mistaken, Brits do not enjoy the same level of free speech as Americans, either. So, you know what that means!
I agree that they are not as "free" in terms of gun ownership, however, I am not sure that I equate gun ownership with how you rate "freedom". I guess it all depends on how you quantify freedom itself.
Free speech is just as protected, and you should know that much of America's constitution, and certainly the bill of rights was lifted from British systems, ideology and law. The English Bill of Rights predates the US Bill of Rights by nearly 100 years.
This is certainly a free country, and it is the best country I have lived in for me - that includes the UK (where I was born and raised). However, the US is not the only "free" country in the world - most of the 190 or so countries in the world are free, and while you may be able to point to gun ownership or such like, Australians or Brits or Italians will be equally as "free" in terms of day to day life. In fact, as an example, I would argue that national healthcare in those countries means that people are more free to switch jobs, pursue business opportunities or even just to worry less.
Anyway, I realize that we are going off point a little..
I agree that they are not as "free" in terms of gun ownership, however, I am not sure that I equate gun ownership with how you rate "freedom". I guess it all depends on how you quantify freedom itself.
Free speech is just as protected, and you should know that much of America's constitution, and certainly the bill of rights was lifted from British systems, ideology and law. The English Bill of Rights predates the US Bill of Rights by nearly 100 years.
This is certainly a free country, and it is the best country I have lived in for me - that includes the UK (where I was born and raised). However, the US is not the only "free" country in the world - most of the 190 or so countries in the world are free, and while you may be able to point to gun ownership or such like, Australians or Brits or Italians will be equally as "free" in terms of day to day life. In fact, as an example, I would argue that national healthcare in those countries means that people are more free to switch jobs, pursue business opportunities or even just to worry less.
Anyway, I realize that we are going off point a little..
What a laugh, the UK is a nanny state and your freedoms are not all there.
Last edited by CaseyB; 10-07-2015 at 02:23 PM..
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What am I "claiming" that we can't all agree upon? That we have the SCTUS to address the Constitutionality of legislation? I have trouble following you...
If I "claim" something that anyone feels is not true or unreasonable, I am more than glad to have this pointed out and learn why. In the same spirit, when I see others making unsubstantiated claims or claiming falsehoods, I say so.
Fair enough?
I addressed your claims and pointed out where I believed they were wrong. I guess since you didn't address that you agree. O.K.
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