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View Poll Results: Should Army Traitor Bowe Bergdahl Go To Prison
Yes One Year 6 5.08%
Yes Five Years 10 8.47%
Yes Ten or More years 66 55.93%
No Prison 10 8.47%
No Prison. He already spent his time in hell. 11 9.32%
No Prison He's a hero. 5 4.24%
other 9 7.63%
not sure 1 0.85%
Voters: 118. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 10-16-2015, 04:50 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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An addendum to my response to this post. I doubt very seriously that you have read 400 pages in the few days since it was released. Since you have lied about so many things in this thread I suspect that if you read any of it, you stopped when you came across some portion that on the face of it supported your unfounded claims.
No I did not read all 400 pages, did you. You asked for an insight into the hearing and now you have it, why not offer some substantial comments on the hearing instead of the constant insults.

Read the prosecuting attorneys comments, he was pretty direct.

I just thought the defense attorneys comments on the hearing were pretty much on spot as were the investigator. Give us something, anything.

You thought it was wrong for Obama to intercede in the hearing but here we have McCain on record before there is even a decision and no issue....


Fairly interesting discussion on pg 111 with the Platoon Leader Capt Billings, pretty low standards back in 2008 no surprise:


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Q. And when he showed up, you were not aware that the Army 16 waived their
enlistment standards for mental health in order for him to come in?

A. No, sir.

Q. And at the time back then, you were not aware that -- you know, what a
neutral Army psychiatry board has now concluded that back in June 2009 that
Sergeant Bergdahl possessed a severe mental disease or defect?

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Old 10-16-2015, 06:15 PM
 
Location: Home, Home on the Front Range
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Why what?

I don't understand the point of your last paragraph.

He was an army investigator, he shouldn't be expressing any opinions. He did and that wasn't fair.

Maybe when reading the report, keep an open mind will help you staying fair and balanced.
Again, you seem to have issues with some of the testimony.
Take it up with someone who might have the ability to do something about it.

As for the last sentence, that's cute coming from someone who convicted the defendant before the trial.
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Old 10-16-2015, 06:29 PM
 
Location: Newport Beach, California
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Again, you seem to have issues with some of the testimony.
Take it up with someone who might have the ability to do something about it.

As for the last sentence, that's cute coming from someone who convicted the defendant before the trial.
Finally, The pot calling the kettle black

I admitted LONG TIME AGO that I was biased. Unlike you, constantly defending a deserter.

Don't pretend to be a social justice warrior, people will take you more seriously.
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Old 10-16-2015, 06:36 PM
 
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Yes, 10 or more years in prison. But, he can possibly get on on good behavior.
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Old 10-16-2015, 06:37 PM
 
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How are the actual transcripts of the Article 32 hearing "not exactly an unbiased source"?

They are the FACTS as they have been presented in a court of law.
bolded

well, When facts are in dispute, experts sometimes reach different conclusions based on competing versions of the facts. The emphasis in the amendment on “sufficient facts or data” is not intended to authorize a trial court to exclude an expert's testimony on the ground that the court believes one version of the facts and not the other.

testimony is not necessarily fact, when you confuse testimony with facts, you have shown your bias. Sorry but it is what it is.
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Old 10-16-2015, 06:47 PM
 
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Again, you seem to have issues with some of the testimony.
Take it up with someone who might have the ability to do something about it.
I don't think I have issues with "testimony" I have problem with the following, because the following is HIS OPINION.

[quote=lilyflower3191981;41585224]

Maj. Gen. Kenneth Dahl testified Friday Bergdahl was "unrealistically idealistic" when he left his remote outpost some six years ago, hoping to draw attention to what he considered poor leadership of his unit.

» Army general says prison sentence 'inappropriate' for Bergdahl » News -- GOPUSA

Dahl's words are neither testimony nor fact, they are OPINIONS.

But you seem to believe everything presented in court are facts that they are the only facts that matter.

You seem rather biased.
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Old 10-16-2015, 06:49 PM
 
Location: The land where cats rule
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No I did not read all 400 pages
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At least you now admit to your lie. You implied that you had read the entire report to make your "points" and now admit you were lying. Cast doubts on all of your other claims. You just keep citing what others have "thought", which you have no way of verifying. You keep digging the hole you are in deeper.

Oh yes, the truth is not an insult, unless of course you choose not to believe it.
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Old 10-17-2015, 06:39 AM
 
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At least you now admit to your lie. You implied that you had read the entire report to make your "points" and now admit you were lying. Cast doubts on all of your other claims. You just keep citing what others have "thought", which you have no way of verifying. You keep digging the hole you are in deeper.

Oh yes, the truth is not an insult, unless of course you choose not to believe it.
So you have nothing.
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Old 10-17-2015, 06:44 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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[quote=lilyflower3191981;41587809]I don't think I have issues with "testimony" I have problem with the following, because the following is HIS OPINION.

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Maj. Gen. Kenneth Dahl testified Friday Bergdahl was "unrealistically idealistic" when he left his remote outpost some six years ago, hoping to draw attention to what he considered poor leadership of his unit.

» Army general says prison sentence 'inappropriate' for Bergdahl » News -- GOPUSA

Dahl's words are neither testimony nor fact, they are OPINIONS.

But you seem to believe everything presented in court are facts that they are the only facts that matter.

You seem rather biased.
Those are facts based on his interview with Bergdahl.

What would you calls someone who leaves his weapon behind and walks into enemy lines to draw attention to poor leadership, I would say that description fits.
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Old 10-17-2015, 09:38 AM
 
Location: Newport Beach, California
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I don't think I have issues with "testimony" I have problem with the following, because the following is HIS OPINION.



Those are facts based on his interview with Bergdahl.

What would you calls someone who leaves his weapon behind and walks into enemy lines to draw attention to poor leadership, I would say that description fits.
Those are not facts. I have explained the bolded to you, but you did not want to listen.

My OPINION is that he wanted to join the taliban, hence, left the base without weapon. Look at all the people who joined isis, they did not bring any weapons with them either. This (cross enemy line without weapon) will show loyalty and gain trust with the taliban. That is my conclusion and my opinion.

I am not saying my opinion is right, you seem to think Dhle's opinions are facts. (I am not saying Dhle was not right, but he expressed his opinions. Those are not necessarily facts) You have shown your bias, and you should stop convincing people one way or another. Most importantly, you should respect other people's opinion, not everybody will agree with you, I don't understand why do you have to attack others for having different opinions unless you have made your own conclusion that Bergdahl was not a deserter who did not deserve prison time.

Don't be so stubborn. Dhle's conclusion and opinion is just as good or worthless as my opinion and my conclusion. I've read the whole report, by the way. Twice.

by the way, if I were the army investigator, I would have kept my opinion to myself, I would have not pretended to be a psychologist or a mental health professional.

Maj. Gen. Kenneth Dahl testified Friday Bergdahl was "unrealistically idealistic", this is nothing but an opinion. To deny this is intellectual dishonesty.

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