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Old 12-30-2015, 04:06 PM
 
Location: NJ
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I am a black man, who is definitely against police brutality. But when you think about it, the black lives matter crowd almost never make any real demands. It's cyclical. Something happens, they react (emotionally), march, pray, and sometimes loot. But when you think about it, there is no agenda. Black Lives Matter is a completely emotional kneejerk movement that does not solve any of the bigger problems in American society.

The biggest issue not just for black Americans, but Americans as a whole is police brutality. The main issue is that we can't fire the police department. We're force to still pay taxes for police with an increasing "us vs them" mentality. We're paying for a service that doesn't serve us. Instead of asking for reform, we continue to beg the government for fairness, when clearly fairness is not apart of the government's agenda. And to make matters worse, there is an entire market for law enforcement that is untapped because we love to beg the government.


As a result, Black Lives Matter should not be a black movement but an American movement. It should be a movement where we reform the police departments in our respective cities and towns. And we put the police force out of business, and replace them with private police that we can fire if we feel we're not getting what we paid for.

We need to promote consumer choice instead of government dependency.

The BLM is the Bureau of Land Management.


Maybe Black lives matter needs to change their logo to FBI.....federation of black instigators
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Old 12-30-2015, 04:06 PM
 
Location: Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
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Work for the government and steal $400,000, not only do you NOT get prosecuted you don't lose your job or have to pay the money back.

Justice Department Won't Prosecute Corrupt VA Executives Over $400,000 Fraud : News : Headlines & Global News

Sell some smokes on the street and you get jumped and strangled.

Medical Examiner Rules Eric Garner's Death a Homicide, Says He Was Killed By Chokehold | NBC New York

What more of an agenda do you need?
But what are you asking for exactly. And also what makes you think the government will give you anything. If you want fair treatment you need to have the power to fire the police force and replace it with a private one of your choosing.
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Old 12-30-2015, 04:12 PM
 
Location: Somewhere extremely awesome
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C'mon man the suspense is killin' me
Okay, here goes. I hope I'm being respectful in everything that I say.

First, I want to make it clear that I have tremendous respect for activism. Without activism, the status quo would rarely be challenged, injustices would rarely be addressed, and humanity would have a tough time advancing. Activists have made numerous personal sacrifices to address social justice and to truly make the world a better place. I greatly respect and admire those who give up peace, security, and comfort to fight for those who are suffering in order to make a difference.

That being said, activists are people. And you know how people are. They're whiny, think that they're always right, like being in charge, having power, having accolades, and that sort of thing. Activists are no exception to this.

Another thing about activism is that it must stay relevant. Basically, activism never ends, even after major victories are won. Activists must always keeping fighting until... well... until all injustices are gone. Which is obviously never happening, given what we know about the nature of people.

Changing gears a bit, there is still a ton of stuff that needs to be done to improve race relations and for blacks and other minorities of other kinds to not be treated like second-class citizens. Nevertheless, though, I think we've reached the point that most white people in this country believe that a black person who works hard enough should have opportunities for success. They might hold prejudices that force black people to work even harder than a white person would, but they don't think that being black should stop you from being successful. After all, Obama was elected - twice. Most Republicans, who supposedly are tagged as being racist, had no problems supporting Herman Cain or Ben Carson.

The thing is - most people believe that working hard will get you ahead. Despite what you hear on this site, most black people believe it too - and it's been working. The number of black people getting college degrees is the highest that it's ever been. This is enabling more black people to join the middle class and get ahead in the world.

If you're an activist, though, the "work hard, stay out of trouble, and get ahead" message is kind of threatening though. It minimizes the racial aspect and maximizes a personal choice aspect. Because of this, the activist message becomes less relevant. So in order to maintain relevance, what do they need to do? They need to make race become the focus again. I think most people know that a black criminal is much more likely to have trouble with the police than a black law-abiding citizen would. But since due to ever-present racial biases and attitudes that we have, black criminals have it worse than white criminals, and black law-abiding citizens have it worse than white law-abiding citizens. So those differences can be exploited, particularly in the cases where clearly the victim did nothing wrong.

(As a side note: I see this happening in the LGBT community as well. The radical types seem threatened by the recent multitudes who are coming out and leading boring, typical lives surrounded by mostly straight people. They were unhappy when same-sex marriage was made legal for crying out loud!)

So Black Lives Matter, while addressing extremely important points and clearly bringing to everybody's attention the humanity of everyone, including black criminals, is also trying to make racial issues relevant. How successful they will be in doing so, and whether people - black, white, or other minorities, will support them, remains to be seen.
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Old 12-30-2015, 04:45 PM
 
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OWS also had this amazing agenda......kinda like blm....


complain about everything with no real end point, then how can you be wrong?
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Old 12-30-2015, 04:47 PM
 
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But what are you asking for exactly. And also what makes you think the government will give you anything. If you want fair treatment you need to have the power to fire the police force and replace it with a private one of your choosing.
No you don't. That's just plain silly. Public police forces aren't incapable of holding corrupt police officers accountable for their actions.
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Old 12-30-2015, 04:51 PM
 
Location: Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
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No you don't. That's just plain silly. Public police forces aren't incapable of holding corrupt police officers accountable for their actions.


So you're relying on the same system that oppress you give you any rights. That's insanity. And the main reason why the Black Lives Matter movement is useless. You want change to happen, put down the picket signs and speak with your wallet. Replace your police force with privatized security and let the market decide.
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Old 12-30-2015, 05:02 PM
 
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So you're relying on the same system that oppress you give you any rights. That's insanity. And the main reason why the Black Lives Matter movement is useless. You want change to happen, put down the picket signs and speak with your wallet. Replace your police force with privatized security and let the market decide.
Change is happening....it is slow but change generally is.
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Old 12-30-2015, 05:11 PM
 
Location: Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
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Change is happening....it is slow but change generally is.
What change is happening? Police brutality is still very bad and it's probably getting worse. You know what lilies getting away with murder does? It empowers police officers go to get away with more and more murder.


You're putting your faith in a system that simply can't work. A system that never has worked and never will work.

This is why you must give itself the power. And not let the government feel they are your protector. You are the best person in the world to decide the best way to leprechaun yourself and your family. This is why we need to privatize.
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Old 12-30-2015, 05:14 PM
 
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You're putting your faith in a system that simply can't work. A system that never has worked and never will work.
Nonsense.

The system has been working for 100s of years.
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Old 12-30-2015, 05:16 PM
 
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What change is happening? Police brutality is still very bad and it's probably getting worse. You know what lilies getting away with murder does? It empowers police officers go to get away with more and more murder.


You're putting your faith in a system that simply can't work. A system that never has worked and never will work.

This is why you must give itself the power. And not let the government feel they are your protector. You are the best person in the world to decide the best way to leprechaun yourself and your family. This is why we need to privatize.
Private law enforcement systems do not guarantee an end to corruption.

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