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Old 12-31-2015, 08:10 PM
 
Location: Newport Beach, California
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If you think of policing as a business and not as a government institution, it's east to rationalize it. You hire your own police force, it's in their best interest to protect you.
Poor minority neighborhoods will still suffer due to a lack of funding.

The black panther party leader once said,


“Our initiative is for black men and women to start arming themselves and for us to start patrolling our own communities. That way we have a visual, we have an eye on what is going on in our neighborhoods. So our mission is to arm every black man that can legally be armed throughout the Unites States of America,"

is it a type of community or private policing?

Is this type of policing good for the black neighborhood?
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Old 01-01-2016, 12:14 AM
 
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If you think of policing as a business and not as a government institution, it's east to rationalize it. You hire your own police force, it's in their best interest to protect you.
Actually, it's their business to make money, and that might not include, at the critical moment, risking a bullet in your behalf. Especially if you're in a poor neighborhood and had to hire the cheapest you could get. They already know it's them or nothing.
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Old 01-21-2016, 02:27 PM
 
Location: Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
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Actually, it's their business to make money, and that might not include, at the critical moment, risking a bullet in your behalf. Especially if you're in a poor neighborhood and had to hire the cheapest you could get. They already know it's them or nothing.
This is fine. You just fire the police company. That's the key. Will there be individuals or police companies that do the wrong thing? Of course there always will be. But with the private police force, you have a choice. That make a lot of difference.
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Old 01-23-2016, 05:40 PM
 
Location: Humboldt Park, Chicago
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This is fine. You just fire the police company. That's the key. Will there be individuals or police companies that do the wrong thing? Of course there always will be. But with the private police force, you have a choice. That make a lot of difference.
Who has a choice? Joe Citizen isn't going to have a say over which police force is hired and fired. The powers that be (aka the government/elected officials) will though, and you won't see more efficiency, but you will see more expense, more corruption, more patronage, and more cronyism. Awesome.
Once again, I'll point you to the parking situation in Chicago as a sterling example of privatization in action. Ask the people of Chicago how much "choice" they had in that matter, and what happened when they wanted that company fired. (Nothing)
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Old 01-23-2016, 05:48 PM
 
Location: Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
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Who has a choice? Joe Citizen isn't going to have a say over which police force is hired and fired. The powers that be (aka the government/elected officials) will though, and you won't see more efficiency, but you will see more expense, more corruption, more patronage, and more cronyism. Awesome.
Once again, I'll point you to the parking situation in Chicago as a sterling example of privatization in action. Ask the people of Chicago how much "choice" they had in that matter, and what happened when they wanted that company fired. (Nothing)
I'm talking about the free market. If something is just the government in the background then it's not really private. Because markets can't emerge as a result.
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Old 02-09-2016, 12:01 PM
 
Location: Baltimore
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The Black Lives Matter organization has been corrupted by millionaire dinosaurs known as "community leaders" who exploit its poor followers for financial gain. Their top brass produces manufactured outrage to obtain wealth and status, while the general health of black lives and their communities fail to improve. We have those who truly want to see a difference in the African American community and those who simply want to promote "Black Power". A cop who bends the rules to uphold the law is nobody's community guardian, but to claim culpability is needed on every African American related police incident proves that the real problems are not entirely the police. Humanity has division and within this division, a leader sprouts out with an ideology. People will thus choose a side and follow the ideology of its leader, no matter how far fetched or absurd. The Black Lives Matter is just that, A wealthy umbrella organization who creates racial tension for those who will follow and believe blindly. The lack of open thought and objectiveness has been the downfall of the black community.


There is no discussion that the United States Government has practiced indiscriminately policies against African Americans and other minorities for generations. African Americans were not even considered humans till the 1960's, it's absurd to suggest that the community can come to economic and social stability within a short time frame. However, those who cherish freedom must also accept responsibility. There is a lack of self reflection and responsibility within the community itself. The BLM cannot blame the police, white people or the government for babies made out of wedlock or lack of economic stability. Around 70% of black children do not have the natural father in their life, this is not a diatribe but simple statistics. The BLM cannot blame anybody for the lack of respect given to woman and a stable quality of life in its music. These are cultural examples that need to be taken into play, in addition to structural.


Bad behavior is bad behavior. It is not a 'cultural expression' like the BLM activist pretend. Bad behavior is a road block at success. BLM leaders always complain about "no jobs, no community outreach" it must be racism. Community members are not comfortable to be in dangerous neighborhoods. Business owners do not want to build in a community with the constant threat of theft and loitering. The path to be a successful African American is loosely defined but its reachable, even though it can be problematic. The BLM has done nothing to make this path doable, besides complain about the whites, some even suggest whites be alienated from their society; But then except them to pay for everything through taxes.


For BLM to be successful, they must recognize the fraudulent civil rights activist, oust them, and open their thoughts and dialogues without following one man's particular ideology. Then we will discuss the structural and cultural issues on both sides. But as of right now, burning buildings, looting and claiming police brutality to everything without due process is only making the few rich, the majority angry, and the protesters poorer and poorer.

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Old 02-09-2016, 12:12 PM
 
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The Black Lives Matter organization has been corrupted by millionaire dinosaurs known as "community leaders" who exploit its poor followers for financial gain. Their top brass produces manufactured outrage to obtain wealth and status, while the general health of black lives and their communities fail to improve. We have those who truly want to see a difference in the African American community and those who simply want to promote "Black Power". A cop who bends the rules to uphold the law is nobody's community guardian, but to claim culpability is needed on every African American related police incident proves that the real problems are not entirely the police. Humanity has division and within this division, a leader sprouts out with an ideology. People will thus choose a side and follow the ideology of its leader, no matter how far fetched or absurd. The Black Lives Matter is just that, A wealthy umbrella organization who creates racial tension for those who will follow and believe blindly. The lack of open thought and objectiveness has been the downfall of the black community.


There is no discussion that the United States Government has practiced indiscriminately policies against African Americans and other minorities for generations. African Americans were not even considered humans till the 1960's, it's absurd to suggest that the community can come to economic and social stability within a short time frame. However, those who cherish freedom must also accept responsibility. There is a lack of self reflection and responsibility within the community itself. The BLM cannot blame the police, white people or the government for babies made out of wedlock or economic stability. Around 70% of black children do not have the natural father in their life, this is not a diatribe but simple statistics. The BLM cannot blame anybody for the lack of respect given to woman and a stable quality of life in its music. These are cultural examples that need to be taken into play, in addition to structural.


Bad behavior is bad behavior. It is not a 'cultural expression' like the BLM activist pretend. Bad behavior is a road block at success. BLM leaders always complain about "no jobs, no community outreach" it must be racism. Community members are not comfortable to be in dangerous neighborhoods. Business owners do not want to build in a community with the constant threat of theft and loitering. The path to be a successful African American is loosely defined but its reachable, even though it can be problematic. The BLM has done nothing to make this path doable, besides complain about the whites, some even suggest whites be alienated from their society; But then except them to pay for everything through taxes.


For BLM to be successful, they must recognize the fraudulent civil rights activist, oust them, and open their thoughts and dialogues without following one man's particular ideology. Then we will discuss the structural and cultural issues on both sides. But as of right now, burning buildings, looting and claiming police brutality to everything without due process is only making the few rich, the majority angry, and the protesters poorer and poorer.
Look, a fellow black person that can be objectively honest about BLM. Is there a unicorn nearby?
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