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Did you report them for taking money from people? If you did not, then you are part of the problem, not part of the solution.
I know my friends never took any money from anybody, matter of fact, I don't even know this type of cops exists. (but then again, I am naive and lived a sheltered life according to you)
I am not a know it all, that is why I know that Not every cop is exactly the same.
My friends are all married, have kids, under 32, and contributory members in the society. Do they think bad cops exist? They do. They do their best to serve their communities and they obey their conscience. They deserve to be judged by their behaviors and be treated as individuals.
Your cop friends absolutely take money from people- by enforcing ordinances specifically designed to generate revenue (which is often the unused to fund the police). Without a badge, this would be robbery and/or extortion.
And I'm judging them for that behavior. I don't associate with people who rob and extort.
But the fact remains that police *choose* to make a living enforcing these bad laws. That means they *choose* to hurt people for a living.
We've long established that "just following orders" is not an adequate defense.
Correct me if I am wrong here,
It seems like this is your argument
every cop will probably be required, over the course of his or her career, to initiate force: to issue traffic tickets, to detain an innocent suspect, to apprehend someone for a nonviolent crime. So while individual police officers may be good people off the job (they have families, friends, people they care for), in their professional roles, they are necessarily bad for liberty.
Certainly is a powerful argument, but it is also too simplistic.
Not everyone who initiates force is automatically immoral.
Morality is at least partly determined by intentions, rather than results.
an officer who initiates force may still provide a net gain for his “customers” (in this case, society at large). Imagine a cop hunting a serial killer.
Of course not all cops are good, many are abusive, bullying, or even racists. But there are bad apples in every single career field. The activities of bad police are becoming increasingly public, while heroic officers usually only make the local news.
Your cop friends absolutely take money from people- by enforcing ordinances specifically designed to generate revenue (which is often the unused to fund the police). Without a badge, this would be robbery and/or extortion.
And I'm judging them for that behavior. I don't associate with people who rob and extort.
All they've taken is a pay check. You can think whatever you want to think.
yes, you do associate with people who rob and extort (your words, not mine), You said you are going to take advantage them because they protect you, remember?
every cop will probably be required, over the course of his or her career, to initiate force: to issue traffic tickets, to detain an innocent suspect, to apprehend someone for a nonviolent crime. So while individual police officers may be good people off the job (they have families, friends, people they care for), in their professional roles, they are necessarily bad for liberty.
Certainly is a powerful argument, but it is also too simplistic.
Not everyone who initiates force is automatically immoral.
Morality is at least partly determined by intentions, rather than results.
an officer who initiates force may still provide a net gain for his “customers” (in this case, society at large). Imagine a cop hunting a serial killer.
Of course not all cops are good, many are abusive, bullying, or even racists. But there are bad apples in every single career field. The activities of bad police are becoming increasingly public, while heroic officers usually only make the local news.
Don't put words in my mouth. I've made my points... don't need you to invent them for me.
All they've taken is a pay check. You can think whatever you want to think.
yes, you do associate with people who rob and extort (your words, not mine), You said you are going to take advantage them because they protect you, remember?
They force people to pay up... for little more than being in the wrong place at the wrong time. They get paid for forcing people to pay money... under threat of assault and incarceration.
The only thing that distinguishes this action from extortion is their badge.
And yeah, if I ever need them to protect me then absolutely I'll get them to do so. I mean they've forced me and everybody else to pay their salary for our whole lives. If I can get anything out of them I won't hesitate to do so.
They force people to pay up... for little more than being in the wrong place at the wrong time. They get paid for forcing people to pay money... under threat of assault and incarceration.
The only thing that distinguishes this action from extortion is their badge.
And yeah, if I ever need them to protect me then absolutely I'll get them to do so. I mean they've forced me and everybody else to pay their salary for our whole lives. If I can get anything out of them I won't hesitate to do so.
I think it is very unfortunate that we are unable to reach an agreement.
But it is life.
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