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Old 02-06-2016, 06:35 PM
 
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Oh, lookie a running score card on terrorist murders since 9/11.

Muslims nutjobs 45/Right Wing nutjobs 48

Homegrown Extremism: Deadly Attacks Since 9/11 | The International Security Program
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Old 02-06-2016, 06:36 PM
 
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They also missed 9/11. I guess ya missed that. You also missed the WTC 1998 bombing. Who is ahead on the death count now?
The quoted article cited & linked to the study:
The tables below show the lethal terrorist incidents in the United States since 9/11:

Homegrown Extremism: Deadly Attacks Since 9/11 | The International Security Program
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Old 02-06-2016, 06:51 PM
 
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Oh, lookie a running score card on terrorist murders since 9/11.

Muslims nutjobs 45/Right Wing nutjobs 48

Homegrown Extremism: Deadly Attacks Since 9/11 | The International Security Program
Thank the Gods the various flavors of Anti-American nutjobs, including Muslim & Right Wing, are thwarted in some of their attempts at murder mayhem madness.

For example, the so-called '241 Plan' in 2011, which involved murdering two state officials if one militia member was killed.
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Old 02-06-2016, 06:58 PM
 
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Well given that argument why in the hell should be be in the least bit concerned about terrorist of any sort, particularly Muslim terrorism.
Why should we care? How many people are killed in this country by Muslim terrorism every year? Maybe a few? I'm not ready to panic, or give up my rights over the unfounded fear of terrorist.
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Old 02-06-2016, 07:07 PM
 
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Cops are averaging over a thousand kills a year w/ a percentage of their victims being unarmed. They ought to be feared more than any trumped up terrorism/ militia threat.
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Old 02-06-2016, 07:22 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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So why are drunk drivers not considered the number one threat to law enforcement?

The truth is that these so-called anti-government extremists, are no more a threat to law enforcement than the radicalized Muslims. If this was about a real danger, then the police would say drunk drivers are the biggest threat. This is all just looking for a boogieman to justify militarizing the police, and restricting our rights.

You people are buying into something that very is dangerous, calling people that have grievances with the government, terrorists, radicals, crazies. and all the other condemning names. If we allow people that oppose the government to be called "extremists", then it may well be you that that is labeled for for even the simplest disagreement with the government.

This is a very slippery slope, I for one am not interested in going down.


Well deaths from DWI have actual stats to back it up the militias grievances are perceived in their own minds, they are not real. They have this perception of the tyrannical government that is not based on fact.
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Old 02-06-2016, 07:33 PM
 
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Well deaths from DWI have actual stats to back it up the militias grievances are perceived in their own minds, they are not real. They have this perception of the tyrannical government that is not based on fact.
Wow, where to start.

First, DWI do have stats, but there is also an actual number of police that are killed by so-called anti-government extremist, and I bet it's near zero most years.

Second, there are how many anti-government militias according to your sources? How many people make up all of these militias? So, how exactly are you going to know what their grievances are, and whether or not they are real?

When you post stuff like this, you just discredit yourself.
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Old 02-06-2016, 09:26 PM
 
Location: Madison, WI
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Well deaths from DWI have actual stats to back it up the militias grievances are perceived in their own minds, they are not real. They have this perception of the tyrannical government that is not based on fact.
How do you assess what oppression is with facts? We're much more oppressed than the colonists were by King George if we're going by taxation and control over people's lives. You could also argue that any person claiming the right to rule over you is oppression, which I agree with, but how do you judge the validity of that?

I say you use logic. If 100% taxation and 100% dictatorship are oppressive, at what point does it become acceptable? Any percentage you give will just be arbitrary and your own personal opinion. It comes down to whether you consent or not. If you do, fine. If you don't, it's oppression.
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Old 02-06-2016, 09:29 PM
 
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If the source is the Southern Poverty Law Center, they are not exactly unbiased, they take a pretty strong anti-gun stance.
SPLC and truth are foreign nations without a treaty. If SPLC said the sun would rise tomorrow, I wouldn't bet on it. SPLC engages in deception, distortion, and outright lies, as a daily practice.
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Frankly, do not believe me. I am no one. Just one of their many victims who had no recourse nor remedy when they published lies.
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The only "law" they know is how to escape lawsuits for fraud, slander and libel. And if the SPLC is your ally, you've gone over to the "wrong side" of "The Force."

Other than that, they're a "great bunch".
[sarcasm flag off]


SPLC = Southern Preposterous Lie Center
SPLC is a “hate” group. They hate facts and they hate accuracy.
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Old 02-07-2016, 07:58 AM
 
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Why should we care? How many people are killed in this country by Muslim terrorism every year? Maybe a few? I'm not ready to panic, or give up my rights over the unfounded fear of terrorist.
Don't tell me, you didn't read the article? There seem to be more than a few folks who have more than a few unfounded fears about government. This from the article you didn't read:

"Making it worse is that many of these extremists base their views on falsehoods. At a 2009 speech in Hamilton, Montana, a militia leader told an assembled crowd, “You know how the Oxford English Dictionary defines terrorism? ‘Government by intimidation.’ That is profound.” Not really, because it’s not true. Oxford defines terrorism as all other dictionaries do: “the use of violence and intimidation in the pursuit of political aims.” People setting off bombs to trigger a revolution meet this definition, while the government that clears the area after a blast does not. But those zealots in Hamilton were told a fairy tale and believed it."

http://www.newsweek.com/2016/02/12/r...ts-422743.html

Here are a couple more articles you most likely won't read. Maybe you shouldn't bother? They might contain some nuance or irony? Granted, these are not everyone's cup of tea.

Don't Call the Bundys Libertarians
Don

The Bundys and the Irony of American Vigilantism - The New Yorker
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