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Old 01-17-2016, 02:47 PM
 
Location: Eastern Colorado
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Originally Posted by Finn_Jarber View Post
Booze and cigarettes have been around a long time, so they cannot explain this new change with ODs. Something has changed, and that something is causing the deaths. Pot legalization and decriminalization is new, and certainly can explain the new problem, because it opens the gates to the world of drugs.
What else is pot's problem? If you do a little research you will figure out quickly how wrong you are and how foolish you are starting to look. DEA enforcement of prescription drug issues over the last 5 years or so is what is leading to this. The problem is they do not lower prescriptions, they just stop providing the drug to the addicts with little to no help with their addiction, they find a similar high elsewhere.
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Old 01-17-2016, 02:49 PM
 
Location: Newport Beach, California
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That is a stereotype, and is blaming something that is inconsequential and using it to fight the pot boogeyman. Here is a report of the numbers involving the growth of heroin showing 75% of them are addicted to prescription pain meds.

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2...aths.html?_r=0

Here is the BBC reporting on the problem.
Unlikely face of heroin epidemic in small town America - BBC News

Whether they once used marijuana is meaningless, it has been studied and widely reported that the problem is prescription pill addiction. Fact is I know several people with chronic pain issues that use marijuana and have gotten off of all prescription pain meds, but many think since it is a prescription drug that they are fine using it. Then when it is yanked they find another source of the high.
I agree with this.
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Old 01-17-2016, 02:50 PM
 
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Booze and cigarettes have been around a long time, so they cannot explain this new change with ODs. Something has changed, and that something is causing the deaths. Pot legalization and decriminalization is new, and certainly can explain the new problem, because it opens the gates to the world of drugs.
The new heroin epidemic was born out of the emergence of drugs like OxyContin in 1990s, long before any legalization or decriminalization of marijuana. One has nothing to do with the other.

"Over the past decade, health care officials and government leaders have tried to combat the prescription opioid epidemic by cracking down on pill mills, and in 2013, the FDA approved a new "abuse deterrent" form of OxyContin designed to deter snorting and injecting by making the drug more difficult to crush, break, or dissolve.

"Although these efforts have resulted in recent declines in prescription painkiller abuse, the unintended consequence of these strategies has been an increase in heroin use," says Monnat. "Individuals who became addicted to painkillers soon found that heroin was easier to get and cheaper. In fact, heroin is now cheaper than a six-pack of beer in most states. All current signs point to heroin abuse being a long-term problem in the U.S."


http://news.psu.edu/story/375720/201...eroin-epidemic

If you can show otherwise, please do.
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Old 01-17-2016, 02:50 PM
 
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Booze and cigarettes have been around a long time, so they cannot explain this new change with ODs. Something has changed, and that something is causing the deaths. Pot legalization and decriminalization is new, and certainly can explain the new problem, because it opens the gates to the world of drugs.
Baloney.

The number of cannabis users has not surged, they were already there, by the millions. More than you can possibly realize. It has been in widespread use in this country for many decades. The only difference is that now they can come out of the closet.

The change that occurred has already been described in this thread. Go back and re-read jwileys post.

These prescription pain med addicts also exists by the millions, and as doctors crack down on refilling prescriptions, these people are turning to the cheaper heroin in desperation. They didn't mean to get hooked on heroin when they started taking their prescription meds, but that is where they wound up.

This has absolutely nothing to do with mj or legalization, but it does not surprise me that you would try to use it for your pro-prohibition agenda.
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Old 01-17-2016, 02:54 PM
 
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My son worked at a drug rehab center about 75 miles outside of Chicago. The majority of their clients were white kids from Chicago hooked on heroin. There is an epidemic of heroin addiction among whites that is unprecedented and growing. And contrary to a few posts in this thread, the gateway drug is not marijuana, it's prescription drugs.

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2...aths.html?_r=0
Exactly. It's just old ignorant cons that believe such nonsense about Marijuana as a gateway drug.
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Old 01-17-2016, 02:56 PM
 
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My biological mother and father were both heroin addicts. Both white. This was the 70's, early 80's and they eventually died in the 90's. Well my biological mother managed on a methadone maintenance program for many years but was still an alcoholic and methadone addict, and who knows what else. This is not a NEW problem even in the slightest. It's just getting lots of attention from the 'OMG, WHAT ABOUT THE CHILDREN' contituency. White people have always been hooked on drugs. They just got a free pass in the 80s when they were able to afford good powdered cocaine. Those that couldnt? Well, they were dying from the hard and dirty stuff.

The whole pretty young white girls dying of drugs panic is just a way for those interested in profit (through various means, many of which nefarious) to profit. Humans will ALWAYS seek out ways to profit, your precious little snowflakes be damned.
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Old 01-17-2016, 02:58 PM
 
Location: Philadelphia
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There's no denying the fact that pot is a gateway drug, but it's legalization/decriminalization in a few places doesn't have any affect whatsoever on a 35 year old soccer mom who gets hooked on pain medication.
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Old 01-17-2016, 02:59 PM
 
Location: Houston
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One of my mom's friend's son OD'ed on marijuana. When they found him, his hands were still clutching a bong. All thanks to Obama not enforcing our nation's drugs laws.

RIP Steve. You will be missed.
The marijuana was laced or he was doing some other drug also.

RIP, Steve. Your death will be utilized to make false claims about the danger of marijuana.
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Old 01-17-2016, 02:59 PM
 
Location: CA
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Sorry but it is not marijuana that is causing this, it is the DEA cracking down hard on prescription pain killers, many of the people who were once addicted to prescription drugs are turning to heroin to get a similar high and pain relief. Those are the people who are Oding at a high rate now as they do not know how to properly take the illegal drugs and control themselves. I have been following the stories closely as my wife has arthritis in her back and disk degeneration, they closely monitor her prescriptions, even asking her to bring in her pills when she goes for physical therapy so they can make sure she is not taking extras.
I know someone who was a former heroine user, and couple decades later had a serious back injury and so was on pain meds - and upon mentioning the possibility of addictive concerns and asking advice for weaning off or down, the doctor "showed him the door" and refused further meds or assistance or advice, so he went to 'Plan B' that he knew would work for the pain.

He is still alive, thank goodness, but he thinks the doctor was scared for his credentials at the idea or mention of any possible problems. But the patient was just trying to be honest. It's a sad and frustrating situation.

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Old 01-17-2016, 03:00 PM
 
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That's cute, blaming Obama for someone's drug overdose.
Nothing cute at all by people losing their liveyhood at the hands of crony capitalists.

Your unquestioning support of Obama simply due to the color of his skin is very anti-American.
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