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Old 01-18-2016, 09:09 AM
 
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I simply have a very different mindset. That whole "earn as much as you possible can" approach is so not me.
I don't mind modestly rich people, i.e. normal millionaires who really work for it. They are not the problem. I am against the filthy rich and even more against the system which allows them to become that rich in the first place.
Then those people who just won Powerball automatically became the enemy?

 
Old 01-18-2016, 09:10 AM
 
Location: Philadelphia
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while there are some that do steal, they end up getting punished as a result.
LMAO!!! Thanks for the laugh. You should be on stage!
 
Old 01-18-2016, 09:10 AM
 
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No. Nobody wants to be poor and starve. Lots of poor people work their butts off, still they don't get anywhere. It has a lot to do with the situation you happen to be born into.
once again that is bullcrap. anyone can change their lot in life, but they have to WORK for it, it wont be just given to them. too many people think that because they are poor now, means they will always be poor. too many others think they can spend their way into wealth, but they constantly buy the wrong products. they buy into the consumerism, and spend way too much on such products. the people that make themselves rich are the ones that buy the stuff they need to make themselves rich. for instance, my best friend was no better or worse off than i was in high school, but through hard work, and proper use of his assets, he has made himself quite comfortable over the years.

he now owns six houses, five of them paid off, thee of them he rents out, one he is working on to eventually sell, hopefully for enough to pretty well pay off the last mortgage he has. but it wasnt easy to get where he is today. he had to work for it, and instead of buying the latest and greatest car, computer, or other consumer product, he invested in spackle, tools like olfa knives, and other tools of the tinters trade, and put in a lot of hours daily doing tints for customers.

i have often said that is one is willing to put forth the effort, they can make themselves as rich as they want.
 
Old 01-18-2016, 09:12 AM
 
Location: BROOKLYN NYC
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So what you're saying is you know more than a Nobel Peace prize winning economist?

Our economy is now strongly tied to the petrodollar so claiming it doesn't have a standard is really not true at all. Proof is in the pudding, oil collapsed and the markets are now following.
Nobel? Didn't Obama win for doing absolutely nothing? Yea, exactly...
 
Old 01-18-2016, 09:12 AM
 
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Then those people who just won Powerball automatically became the enemy?
of course they did, remember that you are talking to a liberal that wants to control the world, and feels that everyone should only make a certain amount of money every year, and the rest should be turned over to the government so it can grow as big as it wants to and control everyone.
 
Old 01-18-2016, 09:13 AM
 
Location: West Coast of Europe
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You covered it! I was thinking this by the second post I read.
If I were a billionaire, I wouldn't mind paying my taxes, however, I would rather earmark my immense wealth toward charities or private projects that do good in undeveloped countries rather than hand it over to corrupt government dictators or dump it into a black hole bureaucracy where "the powers that be" decide what to do with it. I'd rather my money go to help the truly poor than have my money paying out government pensions promised to government employees for instance.
The very rich and big companies are for the most part not paying their taxes in Africa, yet there is no massive and effective private aid, either, because if that were the case, the improvement would somehow show up in the income statistics.
 
Old 01-18-2016, 09:15 AM
 
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No, I earn much less than that, not even half, and it is enough. I could work more, but I would take work away from others that way without my needing more money. It is better for two people to have humble incomes than for one to have a big income and the other none at all.
So, essentially, you believe that anybody making just over $8 per hour is making enough to live on.

I'm glad we cleared that up.
 
Old 01-18-2016, 09:16 AM
 
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So what you're saying is you know more than a Nobel Peace prize winning economist?

Our economy is now strongly tied to the petrodollar so claiming it doesn't have a standard is really not true at all. Proof is in the pudding, oil collapsed and the markets are now following.
oh so now suddenly someone that won a nobel prize knows more than everyone else? you do realize that the nobel prize is all about politics these days and not what people really know right?

as for your other point, it nicely addresses my point that our economy is dynamic and not static, like so many so called economists try to model. our economy expands and contracts, and if you know what you are doing, you can make money when either happens.
 
Old 01-18-2016, 09:19 AM
 
Location: West Coast of Europe
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once again that is bullcrap. anyone can change their lot in life, but they have to WORK for it, it wont be just given to them. too many people think that because they are poor now, means they will always be poor. too many others think they can spend their way into wealth, but they constantly buy the wrong products. they buy into the consumerism, and spend way too much on such products. the people that make themselves rich are the ones that buy the stuff they need to make themselves rich. for instance, my best friend was no better or worse off than i was in high school, but through hard work, and proper use of his assets, he has made himself quite comfortable over the years.

he now owns six houses, five of them paid off, thee of them he rents out, one he is working on to eventually sell, hopefully for enough to pretty well pay off the last mortgage he has. but it wasnt easy to get where he is today. he had to work for it, and instead of buying the latest and greatest car, computer, or other consumer product, he invested in spackle, tools like olfa knives, and other tools of the tinters trade, and put in a lot of hours daily doing tints for customers.

i have often said that is one is willing to put forth the effort, they can make themselves as rich as they want.
From rags to riches is a myth, and a few examples to the contrary won't change that.
As I said, lots of people ARE working their butts off, without ever owning even a single house.
It largely depends on the situation you are born into, for instance your parents' socioeconomic and intellectual status, your city/region/country, etc. And probably also on one's luck in terms of genes.
I think a lot of one's fate is inherited so to speak.
 
Old 01-18-2016, 09:19 AM
 
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The very rich and big companies are for the most part not paying their taxes in Africa, yet there is no massive and effective private aid, either, because if that were the case, the improvement would somehow show up in the income statistics.
poor assumption on your part about aid to africa. what you have there is greedy leaders that take the aid given to them, and pocket it in their swiss bank accounts, rather than do something to feed their people. robert mugabe is very bad for doing this very thing, so was idi amin, and just about every other leader of an african nation that you can name.
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