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I would also add that I find it troubling that so many people are viewing these political affiliations solely through the lens of race. My stepdad is a 73-year-old white male born in Germany (which I guess would technically make me one of the famed adopted black kids), and he would describe himself as being a conservative Christian. He views the world through the lens of Christians, and potential Christian converts. Race doesn't even factor into the equation in his mind. He has worked with street thugs in the tristate area and got them to go to church. Most of them just needed a mentor/father figure.
I'm not American, but I follow American politics and race is factored into their political discourse more often than what I'm used to. The terms "the White vote", "the Hispanic vote" and "the Black vote" aren't used in my country.
The same can be said about religion (e.g. "the Evangelical vote", "the Mormon vote"). We're not fussed about those things.
From what I've gathered, political discourse in other Western countries is less focussed on race and religion.
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I don't know why the assumption that if someone is a liberal it's because they "hate white men" or 'hate their daddies.' Wtf? Maybe race isn't even the reason why they're a liberal. Maybe their dad is a liberal, too.
I don't understand either.
It's pointless to conclude why people lean either left or right without hearing them out first. Everyone has their individual reasons, which is the point I made in my previous post. It's best not to make assumptions or generalisations.
To be fair though, some liberals have questioned or made assumptions about minorities who vote for conservatives. Both sides are guilty attempting to box people in.
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I would also add that I find it troubling that so many people are viewing these political affiliations solely through the lens of race. My stepdad is a 73-year-old white male born in Germany (which I guess would technically make me one of the famed adopted black kids), and he would describe himself as being a conservative Christian. He views the world through the lens of Christians, and potential Christian converts. Race doesn't even factor into the equation in his mind. He has worked with street thugs in the tristate area and got them to go to church. Most of them just needed a mentor/father figure.
I'm not American, but I follow American politics and race is factored into their political discourse more often than what I'm used to. The terms "the White vote", "the Hispanic vote" and "the Black vote" aren't used in my country.
From what I've gathered, political discourse in other Western countries is less focussed on race.
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Originally Posted by torontocheeka
I don't know why the assumption that if someone is a liberal it's because they "hate white men" or 'hate their daddies.' Wtf? Maybe race isn't even the reason why they're a liberal. Maybe their dad is a liberal, too.
I don't understand either.
It's pointless to conclude why people lean either left or right without hearing them out first. Everyone has their individual reasons, which is the point I made in my previous post. I think it's best not to make assumptions or generalisations.
It's hypocritical for right-wingers to constantly preach family values when they're always getting divorced. They get divorced more than their liberal atheist counterparts.
Progressives love to use labels to TRY to establish different types of superiority.
See my post, #250 on the thread and also a reply to you. It illustrates the incompleteness of the argument in your link.
BTW, I'm not a family values preaching right-winger. I'm a fiscally conservative Agnostic who couldn't care less what type of sexual relationship adults want to have (should be up to the parties themselves), couldn't care less what type of marriage people want to have (should be up to the parties themselves), and thinks that a woman's decisions about her body are hers alone.
They are, though, if he drives a Prius and doesn't have any children, which is the single most environmentally-destructive thing a person can do.
It's all a matter of perspective. You don't know what his carbon footprint is, it could be lower than yours, so why critique him for wastefulness?
Yes, it is a matter of perspective.....and you don't want to admit that one of your heroes is a hypocrite. You THINK that the carbon footprint of another human being MIGHT be why DiCaprio has decided thus far not to have children, but do you KNOW that?...If so, link please.
Deciding whether or not to have children has nothing to do with my example of his hypocrisy. If he is preaching to people what they should do (which he is) then all of his actions in that realm should be consistent. They aren't. They would be more in line if he flew commercial.
Also, does he only have one Prius, or does he have other cars? Does he have more than one home? What is the size of his primary residence? These are all additional unknowns that could amplify his hypocrisy.
I'm not throwing stones from a glass house. It's pretty much impossible that DiCaprio has a smaller carbon footprint than I do. I've never had any children. I have one car that is smaller than a Prius and gets about 80% of the MPG that a Prius does (I can afford a big gas guzzler). I purposely bought a much smaller house than I can afford (and no more than I need) because I didn't want to be responsible for more trees being cut down. I don't have a jet or other aircraft...nor any other contraption with a motor, other than a lawn mower (and if It was possible to remove my lawn, I would). HOWEVER, my level of low carbon footprint is MY decision that I made on my own. I think that this realization is something that an individual should come to on his or her own, WITHOUT outside influence. As long as an individual is following the law, it isn't the business of others (except spouse/partner, and children) or the proverbial 'jack booted thugs of government' what anyone is consuming/buying.
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Yes, it is a matter of perspective.....and you don't want to admit that one of your heroes is a hypocrite. You THINK that the carbon footprint of another human being MIGHT be why DiCaprio has decided thus far not to have children, but do you KNOW that?...If so, link please.
Deciding whether or not to have children has nothing to do with my example of his hypocrisy. If he is preaching to people what they should do (which he is) then all of his actions in that realm should be consistent. They aren't. They would be more in line if he flew commercial.
Also, does he only have one Prius, or does he have other cars? Does he have more than one home? What is the size of his primary residence? These are all additional unknowns that could amplify his hypocrisy.
I'm not throwing stones from a glass house. It's pretty much impossible that DiCaprio has a smaller carbon footprint than I do. I've never had any children. I have one car that is smaller than a Prius and gets about 80% of the MPG that a Prius does (I can afford a big gas guzzler). I purposely bought a much smaller house than I can afford (and no more than I need) because I didn't want to be responsible for more trees being cut down. HOWEVER, my level of low carbon footprint is MY decision that I made on my own. I think that this realization is something that an individual should come to on his or her own, WITHOUT outside influence. As long as an individual is following the law, is isn't the business of others (except spouse/partner, and children) or the proverbial 'jack booted thugs of government' what anyone is consuming/buying.
I honestly think DiCaprio and his ilk think that the climate advocacy they do offsets the carbon they burn
That they are doing more good by preaching the climate gospel to as many people who will listen by the use of their celebrity status. I happen to think that is complete arrogance and hubris though and he would have a bigger impact if he walked the walk more like Ed Begley Jr has been doing for years.
Some realize that elections really aren't about god, guns, and gays.
Gee, let's trot out a stereotype .
Plenty of white males who AREN'T liberals couldn't care less about god, don't see gays as different from anyone else, but still revere the second amendment.
I honestly think DiCaprio and his ilk think that the climate advocacy they do offsets the carbon they burn
That they are doing more good by preaching the climate gospel to as many people who will listen by the use of their celebrity status. I happen to think that is complete arrogance and hubris though and he would have a bigger impact if he walked the walk more like Ed Begley Jr has been doing for years.
Exactly.
And if DiCaprio decided to purchase carbon offsets.....might assuage his guilt, but it wouldn't make him any less a hypocrite.
Some realize that elections really aren't about god, guns, and gays.
No, elections are about maintaining the democratic base with a perpetual welfare class that gets promised free stuff every election cycle so long as they vote democrat.
They are about playing the race card and creating divisions instead of empowering minorities.
They are about pandering to illegal immigrants and spitting in the faces of all those in the past and present who have waited in line, played by the rules and came here legally.
They are about political correctness replacing common sense and creating an environment where everyone is supposed to walk on eggshells to not offend the perpetually offended.
They are about liberal run universities being co-opted by social justice warriors who demand safe spaces and freak out if someone writes the name of a presidential candidate they don't like in chalk.
They are about opening the door wide open to muslim immigrants who can't be properly vetted, even after seeing what is happening currently in Europe with their very liberal immigration polices.
Plenty of white males who AREN'T liberals couldn't care less about god, don't see gays as different from anyone else, but still revere the second amendment.
BTW, I'm a white male. And a senior citizen. I was a Republican for a long time. The bogus invasion of Iraq woke me up, though. Now I vote against Republicans and will continue to do so until they separate themselves from the angry ignorant religious right.
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Why would any white male adult be a liberal?
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