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Old 04-16-2016, 12:28 PM
 
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I think this shows though that the fear of gang members is at least somewhat greater than the fear of police.
So?
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Old 04-16-2016, 04:22 PM
 
Location: New York Area
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No one wants to talk about the fact that most black people locked up under Clinton had more to do with the drug laws, than anti-violence laws? I mean no one? Clinton honestly just blantantly got on stage and told a bold face lie. It's funny he talked about how he stopped the violence, but the only part of the bill that had to do with violence was giving more fines for people who owned certain assault rifles. But people forget, gang bangers don't purchase guns legally. And gun possession laws only ever lock up a few black people. Drug possession laws are the cause of the high incarceration rates.
Many of the times they're teh same people. Let's face it. Many ghetto youths chose not to attend school or if they did to take it seriously. Fine.

So they have no other way to earn a living than criminal activity, including drug sales. Drug sales are illegal so require violence to sustain them. And that doesn't end well when they decide to push back at the police.
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Old 04-17-2016, 01:04 AM
 
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Why are police shootings routinely caught on video and gang shootings rarely are despite the latter being more frequent and having more witnesses? That's not rhetorical. What is the reason for this?
"I din do nuffin; I don't know nuffin."

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Eric Garner wasn't breaking the law. Stop pushing that false narrative.
Wrong.

He was trespassing, for starters.

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EVERYONE can do that and I have no problem with that. That you have to go here says you really have no argument.
No, it says that YOU have no argument since you're now admitting that I was right.

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He would have had his charges dismissed and likely won a big settlement.
Wrong.

He broke the law.

There were many witnesses to his blatant law-breaking, including the business owners who called the police.

As usual, you just make stuff up.

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They had no reason to ask to frisk him
The police frisk everyone they arrest, and for obvious reasons.

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.....Let's face it. Many ghetto youths chose not to attend school or if they did to take it seriously.....So they have no other way to earn a living than criminal activity, including drug sales. Drug sales are illegal so require violence to sustain them. And that doesn't end well when they decide to push back at the police.
Exactly.
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Old 04-17-2016, 05:21 PM
 
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No, it says that YOU have no argument since you're now admitting that I was right.
16 shots into someone laying on the ground is not self defense. Shooting someone in the back as they run away is not self defense. Shooting 137 into a car to kill unarmed individuals is not self defense.
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Old 04-17-2016, 06:19 PM
 
Location: St Louis, MO
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Total crock. It is stated that the rate is 65%. That means the majority are caught. Many are also caught without getting counted. That is, the authorities know that so and so was responsible for another murder but only being able to prove another beyond a shadow of a doubt, they only get charged with one.
The conviction rate is nowhere close to 65%. Clearance rate alone is under 65%. (And clearance rate counts arrests before charges, not after charges, so the scenario about "only getting charged with one" does not apply.)

That means you have better than a 1 in 3 chance of never being caught at all!

The FBI shows the clearance rate for murder to be under 65%, and the conviction rate hovering under 30%.
That means that the actual number of cases resulting in conviction is well less than 20%.

(Check out the Crime in the US reports by the FBI for the numbers.)
https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s
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Old 04-17-2016, 06:21 PM
 
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65% for what?
Because the FBI shows the clearance rate for murder to be under 65%, and the conviction rate hovering under 30%.
That means that the actual number of cases resulting in conviction is well less than 20%.

(Check out the Crime in the US reports by the FBI for the numbers.)
https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s
I can only chuckle when someone posts a link and says "here go find it. It might not actually be there but have at it".

I'm sure you are capable of cutting and pasting the info if you read it.
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Old 04-18-2016, 10:29 AM
 
Location: St Louis, MO
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I can only chuckle when someone posts a link and says "here go find it. It might not actually be there but have at it".

I'm sure you are capable of cutting and pasting the info if you read it.
You didn't notice that you cannot cannot deep link there?

Tables 25 and 29 in any year other than 2015 (which only has preliminary dat).
The most critical stat is the 60.9% clearance rate on homicides for large (group I) cities and overall 64.5% clearance rate for homicides (2014 table 25).
This is probably the clearest study to show that in large urban counties, only 18% of murder defendants are eventually convicted at trial. (Another 51% plead down to a lesser charge.) 28% are never convicted of any charge.
http://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/fdluc09.pdf
Table 21
Out of 374 murder arrests in the study, only 117 (31.3%) resulted in sentencing.
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Old 04-18-2016, 11:36 AM
 
Location: Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
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Many of the times they're teh same people. Let's face it. Many ghetto youths chose not to attend school or if they did to take it seriously. Fine.

So they have no other way to earn a living than criminal activity, including drug sales. Drug sales are illegal so require violence to sustain them. And that doesn't end well when they decide to push back at the police.


Drug sells don't always lead to violence. That's a misconception. And shouldn't round up people and say you "stopped the violence", when the reality is that you locked people up for something other than violence. "Potential for violence" isn't the same as actual violence. We have white kids selling drugs on every college campus in the country, yet this doesn't lead to violence. It probably has more to do with class warfare than anything. Which just reinforce that the democrat party has always been an elitist party.
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Old 04-18-2016, 02:40 PM
 
Location: New York Area
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Drug sells don't always lead to violence. That's a misconception. And shouldn't round up people and say you "stopped the violence", when the reality is that you locked people up for something other than violence. "Potential for violence" isn't the same as actual violence. We have white kids selling drugs on every college campus in the country, yet this doesn't lead to violence. It probably has more to do with class warfare than anything. Which just reinforce that the democrat party has always been an elitist party.
I suspect that white drug sales also result in violence. When I was at college I heardd some spine-tingling stories about what happened when someone didn't have the money to pay.
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Old 04-18-2016, 02:43 PM
 
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You didn't notice that you cannot cannot deep link there?

Tables 25 and 29 in any year other than 2015 (which only has preliminary dat).
The most critical stat is the 60.9% clearance rate on homicides for large (group I) cities and overall 64.5%clearance rate for homicides (2014 table 25).
This is probably the clearest study to show that in large urban counties, only 18% of murder defendants are eventually convicted at trial. (Another 51% plead down to a lesser charge.) 28% are never convicted of any charge.
http://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/fdluc09.pdf
Table 21
Out of 374 murder arrests in the study, only 117 (31.3%) resulted in sentencing.
So it says what I had already said.......
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