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Old 04-15-2016, 09:59 PM
 
Location: New York Area
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Really a non point and simply saying he "believes" something is no longer accepted at face value as it once was.****Not an excuse. Police do not get a free pass to just shoot people.
You are acting as if it's "open season" on black teens. Far from it. The teens' demeanor makes it obvious in most of these cases (Eric Garner excepted) that they were not about to obey police officers' "stand down" orders.
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Old 04-15-2016, 10:18 PM
 
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You are acting as if it's "open season" on black teens.
I'm acting like nothing and the problem expands beyond blacks and teens.

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Far from it. The teens' demeanor makes it obvious in most of these cases (Eric Garner excepted) that they were not about to obey police officers' "stand down" orders.
Generalizations aren't good arguments.
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Old 04-16-2016, 04:39 AM
 
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Police do not get a free pass to just shoot people.
Actually, they do -- both to defend themselves and defend others.

And that defense is based on their perceptions.

Sorry if you don't like it.

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You are acting as if it's "open season" on black teens. Far from it. The teens' demeanor makes it obvious in most of these cases (Eric Garner excepted) that they were not about to obey police officers' "stand down" orders.
Even Eric Garner was A) breaking the law -- and not for the first time; B) disobeying lawful police orders; and C) resisting arrest.

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Generalizations aren't good arguments.
Then you should stop making them.
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Old 04-16-2016, 07:33 AM
 
Location: St Louis, MO
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If a civilian kills another person and are caught they are punished.
This sentence shows exactly where the problem lies. The civilian who kills another person is rarely caught, and even less rarely punished, because of a total lack of will on the part of the community to catch them or punish them.

Why are police shootings routinely caught on video and gang shootings rarely are despite the latter being more frequent and having more witnesses?
That's not rhetorical. What is the reason for this?
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Old 04-16-2016, 09:03 AM
 
Location: USA
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Actually, they do -- both to defend themselves and defend others.

And that defense is based on their perceptions.

Sorry if you don't like it.

Even Eric Garner was A) breaking the law -- and not for the first time; B) disobeying lawful police orders; and C) resisting arrest.

Then you should stop making them.
Eric Garner wasn't breaking the law. Stop pushing that false narrative.
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Old 04-16-2016, 09:06 AM
 
Location: USA
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This sentence shows exactly where the problem lies. The civilian who kills another person is rarely caught, and even less rarely punished, because of a total lack of will on the part of the community to catch them or punish them.

Why are police shootings routinely caught on video and gang shootings rarely are despite the latter being more frequent and having more witnesses?
That's not rhetorical. What is the reason for this?
In a "gang" shooting you probably wouldn't want to waste time filming. Your much more likely to be looking to get behind cover (from experience) or wouldn't want to be caught filming. Even if you did film the incident, it would take some spine to testify against a group you know might retaliate (not to say the Police are different).


You only recently saw people taking on the Police. In the past very few would risk doing so because they'd fear a "gang" like retaliation from our government.
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Old 04-16-2016, 09:12 AM
 
Location: Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
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No one wants to talk about the fact that most black people locked up under Clinton had more to do with the drug laws, than anti-violence laws? I mean no one? Clinton honestly just blantantly got on stage and told a bold face lie. It's funny he talked about how he stopped the violence, but the only part of the bill that had to do with violence was giving more fines for people who owned certain assault rifles. But people forget, gang bangers don't purchase guns legally. And gun possession laws only ever lock up a few black people. Drug possession laws are the cause of the high incarceration rates.
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Old 04-16-2016, 10:55 AM
 
Location: St Louis, MO
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In a "gang" shooting you probably wouldn't want to waste time filming. Your much more likely to be looking to get behind cover (from experience) or wouldn't want to be caught filming. Even if you did film the incident, it would take some spine to testify against a group you know might retaliate (not to say the Police are different).


You only recently saw people taking on the Police. In the past very few would risk doing so because they'd fear a "gang" like retaliation from our government.
I think this shows though that the fear of gang members is at least somewhat greater than the fear of police.
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Old 04-16-2016, 12:20 PM
 
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Actually, they do -- both to defend themselves and defend others.

And that defense is based on their perceptions.

Sorry if you don't like it.
EVERYONE can do that and I have no problem with that. That you have to go here says you really have no argument.

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Even Eric Garner was A) breaking the law -- and not for the first time; B) disobeying lawful police orders; and C) resisting arrest.

Then you should stop making them.
He would have had his charges dismissed and likely won a big settlement. They had no reason to ask to frisk him but I've covered this I have no idea how many times. Make up lies like so many others though if you wish.
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Old 04-16-2016, 12:27 PM
 
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This sentence shows exactly where the problem lies. The civilian who kills another person is rarely caught, and even less rarely punished, because of a total lack of will on the part of the community to catch them or punish them.
Total crock. It is stated that the rate is 65%. That means the majority are caught. Many are also caught without getting counted. That is, the authorities know that so and so was responsible for another murder but only being able to prove another beyond a shadow of a doubt, they only get charged with one.

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Why are police shootings routinely caught on video and gang shootings rarely are despite the latter being more frequent and having more witnesses?
That's not rhetorical. What is the reason for this?
Rarely? They do get caught on tape. You have made quite a few accusations with absolutely nothing to back them up so there is little need to try and counter unproven accusations.
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