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I have to accept it legally (in California) for now. If the voters in California overturn the decission, will G's/L's accept the law in California or will they continue to fight for their "rights" in this situation?
When I said "legal standpoint" I meant the legal benefits they get. If something happens to one the other may have issues without the marriage license. Like the story I mentioned.
When I said "legal standpoint" I meant the legal benefits they get. If something happens to one the other may have issues without the marriage license. Like the story I mentioned.
Would the benefits from a civil union produce the same desired outcome?
Rights are not limited only to those enumerated. The Founders of this country knew that a genius such as yourself would come along and saw fit to specify that the citizenry's rights are not limited to those enumerated. See the 9th Amendment. FindLaw: U.S. Constitution: Ninth Amendment
Also, you seem to have missed my post about voting. Post #1092. Is the right to vote not a right because it has age restrictions and requires registration?
You do make a good point. Thanks for the link. I found this particularly enlightening.
Justice Goldberg, concurring, devoted several pages to the Amendment.
''The language and history of the Ninth Amendment reveal that the Framers of the Constitution believed that there are additional fundamental rights, protected from governmental infringement, which exist alongside those fundamental rights specifically mentioned in the first eight constitutional amendments. . . .
To hold that a right so basic and fundamental and so deep-rooted in our society as the right of privacy in marriage may be infringed because that right is not guaranteed in so many words by the first eight amendments to the Constitution is to ignore the Ninth Amendment and to give it no effect whatsoever."
According to that map only one state has civil unions that give the same rights as marriage.
EDIT: This site shows all the legal benefits of marriage Marriage Rights and Benefits (http://www.nolo.com/article.cfm/pg/3/objectId/E0366844-7992-4018-B581C6AE9BF8B045/catId/F896EE61-B80C-4FE1-B1687AC0F07903BA/118/304/ART/ - broken link)
Rights are not limited only to those enumerated. The Founders of this country knew that a genius such as yourself would come along and saw fit to specify that the citizenry's rights are not limited to those enumerated. See the 9th Amendment. FindLaw: U.S. Constitution: Ninth Amendment
You know very well that the Founders defined marriage as between a man and a woman.
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Also, you seem to have missed my post about voting. Post #1092. Is the right to vote not a right because it has age restrictions and requires registration?
No, because they are two different subjects. A U.S. citizen, when old enough, can vote. Period. But a U.S. citizen, when old enough, cannot "marry" anyone he or she chooses.
You know very well that the Founders defined marriage as between a man and a woman.
No, because they are two different subjects. A U.S. citizen, when old enough, can vote. Period. But a U.S. citizen, when old enough, cannot "marry" anyone he or she chooses.
I'd wonder what you would think if you were denied the right to marry. You call marriage a privelege, but what if you were the one who was being prevented from being prevented from marrying someone you loved. And how do you know the Founding fathers defined marriage as between a man and a woman. And if they did, then that is a biblically archaic way of thinking. Also, why can you not marry anyone you want when you're old enough as long as they're of legal age. Whether they're a man and a woman, two men, two women, or a horse and a ham. That's ridiculous that someone shouldn't be allowed the right to marry the person they want because they don't follow an arbitrary and stringent asinine code of conduct.
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You know very well that the Founders defined marriage as between a man and a woman.
They also defined blacks as 3/5 of a human being and withheld from them the right to vote. What's your point? They also withheld from women the right to vote. Let's stick with your original attempt- that the right to marriage is not an enumerated right: it doesn't have to be enumerated to be a right held by the citizenry. Attempt at obfuscating the issue denied.
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No, because they are two different subjects. A U.S. citizen, when old enough, can vote. Period. But a U.S. citizen, when old enough, cannot "marry" anyone he or she chooses.
Try consistency for a change. You argued that marriage is not a right because there is an age restriction and a license requirement. There is the same age restriction in voting and a registration requirement. Someone who is 18 can't just vote without having registered, just like someone 18 can't just marry without a license. Since your argument was that marriage is not a right due to having the age/license restriction, I posed the question about voting, which has the same kind of restriction. So is the right to vote not a right?
According to that map only one state has civil unions that give the same rights as marriage.
EDIT: This site shows all the legal benefits of marriage Marriage Rights and Benefits (http://www.nolo.com/article.cfm/pg/3/objectId/E0366844-7992-4018-B581C6AE9BF8B045/catId/F896EE61-B80C-4FE1-B1687AC0F07903BA/118/304/ART/ - broken link)
Okay, I counted five states that recognize civil unions with rights similar to marraige. If the rest of the country used these rights as a basis of recognition, would there be a need to press for legalizing marraige?
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