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My thought process is intelligent to know that there will always be crime and murders in large metropolitan areas.
However, to ignore that crime has decreased is ignorance and to post threads every week about Chicago crime and murder is disingenuous considering there are many cities in this country who have worse issues with crime and murder than Chicago.
I could understand if this was posted in the Chicago forum, but I hardly ever see "there were ______ shootings this weekend" threads in the Chicago forum.
Because they became so frequent, redundant, and inappropriate that they are no longer allowed.
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Originally Posted by green_mariner
If threads about Chicago's violence issues appear more on this forum than the Chicago forum, then it can be concluded that this is about a political rant.
Well, that and the fact that crime stat threads were so frequent, redundant and toxic that they no longer resulted in productive discussion, so they are no longer allowed.
We spend an enormous amount of tax money subsidizing single mothers in the form of food stamps, welfare, child tax deductions, free education, etc. Given the harm their offspring do we spend way more on law enforcement and prisons than we did when out of wedlock births were rare. We are taking money from people who made the right choice to have children in marriage and rewarding people who make bad choices. If a politician even nicely mentions single motherhood they are screamed down.
My thought process is intelligent to know that there will always be crime and murders in large metropolitan areas.
However, to ignore that crime has decreased is ignorance and to post threads every week about Chicago crime and murder is disingenuous considering there are many cities in this country who have worse issues with crime and murder than Chicago.
I could understand if this was posted in the Chicago forum, but I hardly ever see "there were ______ shootings this weekend" threads in the Chicago forum.
The murder rate has actually INCREASED. Pay attention.
The Chicago forum? You mean the forum where 95% of the posters live in the Chicago area? Do you know how immune people become to this when you hear about it day after day after day?
I'm not the one starting such threads, by the way. If it bothers you so much, however, you probably shouldn't open the thread because you sound very agitated by the topic.
Why are holidays picked as the main time to kill? I ask because this isn't only in Chicago.
Gangland spoke of violence occurring at Salt Lake City's Pioneer Day festivities.
I think people are drinking more, particularly at such events.
When things happen outside those venues, it's easier to get away with since there are usually a lot of police officers covering those events, leaving fewer on the street.
They could also discuss Detroit or St Louis, both of whom have much higher murder rates than Chicago and who would fit their white supremacist ideology due to having large amounts of black citizens.
They pick Chicago because of the president.
I hope those who may come across the thread realize this and also realize that the internet is ground zero today for white supremacist recruitment and dissemination of racist ideology.
-Chicago is much bigger in terms of population and area than St. Louis and Detroit. You can carve an area out of Chicago with a population BIGGER than St. Louis or Detroit and a HIGHER murder rate.
You see Chicago being a massive city has a large area of middle/upper class neighborhoods with very low crime, but also being a massive city, they have a large area of poor neighborhoods infested with crime as bad as anywhere in the US.
Comparing all of Chicago, the 3rd biggest city and 3rd biggest metro area, to a much smaller area with less middle/upper class neighborhoods is not an apples to apples comparison.
Chicago has a massive area with poverty and horrific crime...that dwarfs a St. Louis, Newark, Flint, and is even bigger than Detroit's blight.
I am not sure why so many liberals can't comprehend basic reality and simple stats. Is it a lack of intelligence, ignorance, a willingness to sheepishly follow their propagandists? I realize propagandists like Maddow must bow to master Obama and would rather sweep the massive blight under the rug than have it dealt with so lives can be saved.
Because they became so frequent, redundant, and inappropriate that they are no longer allowed.
Well, that and the fact that crime stat threads were so frequent, redundant and toxic that they no longer resulted in productive discussion, so they are no longer allowed.
For that same reason IMO they should be disallowed here.
You all in Chicago IMO are the only ones who should care so much about your shootings and murders.
I also do find it interesting that other cities stats are not brought up so much. IMO there is something wrong with the media in Chicago in regards to the Sun Times and the Tribune in that they want to keep posting weekly shootings and murders as headlines or otherwise important features in the "news."
I lived in Detroit for a while and still live close to Detroit and they don't do that and they have a much higher murder rate than Chicago!
For that same reason IMO they should be disallowed here.
What are you trying to hide? The very high Black on Black crime rate in Chicago that neither the Democrats nor Obama (from Chicago) have been able to get under control?
We spend an enormous amount of tax money subsidizing single mothers in the form of food stamps, welfare, child tax deductions, free education, etc. Given the harm their offspring do we spend way more on law enforcement and prisons than we did when out of wedlock births were rare. We are taking money from people who made the right choice to have children in marriage and rewarding people who make bad choices. If a politician even nicely mentions single motherhood they are screamed down.
Sigh...out of wedlock birthrates have increased since the 1970s while crime has decreased. Crime has decreased in every demographic since. Being born out of wedlock doesn't mean that you will grow up and become a criminal.
On suicide, white middle aged men are more likely to commit suicide than other groups. I'm pretty sure a majority of them were not born out of wedlock
-Chicago is much bigger in terms of population and area than St. Louis and Detroit. You can carve an area out of Chicago with a population BIGGER than St. Louis or Detroit and a HIGHER murder rate.
You see Chicago being a massive city has a large area of middle/upper class neighborhoods with very low crime, but also being a massive city, they have a large area of poor neighborhoods infested with crime as bad as anywhere in the US.
Comparing all of Chicago, the 3rd biggest city and 3rd biggest metro area, to a much smaller area with less middle/upper class neighborhoods is not an apples to apples comparison.
Chicago has a massive area with poverty and horrific crime...that dwarfs a St. Louis, Newark, Flint, and is even bigger than Detroit's blight.
I am not sure why so many liberals can't comprehend basic reality and simple stats. Is it a lack of intelligence, ignorance, a willingness to sheepishly follow their propagandists? I realize propagandists like Maddow must bow to master Obama and would rather sweep the massive blight under the rug than have it dealt with so lives can be saved.
As has been pointed out to you, crime rates, including murder rates are based upon murders committed in comparison to 100,000 citizens. Due to that, it is ridiculous to say that just because a city has a higher amount of citizens that it is more dangerous than another.
Detroit is a much more dangerous city than Chicago on all fronts, as are many other cities like St. Louis, Atlanta, etc., that have been mentioned in the thread. All of them (even Detroit) have middle/upper class neighborhoods with lower crime rates in their municipality.
The bold part of your assertion is pretty funny because the southside of Chicago, like you mentioned, it the MAJORITY of the city land-wise. So based upon that it would make sense if everything you mentioned above is wide spread for its crime rates to be higher than they are. They are not because Chicago is not overly crime ridden like all of you believe. I know you don't want to believe they have low crime rates but they do in comparison to other cities. FWIW, they actually did used to be a "top 10 dangerous city" back in the 70s and 80s and 90s. Things have turned around for Chicago since that time and they no longer are a top 10 most dangerous city statistically. It is unfortunate that many of you just don't want to admit this.
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Originally Posted by InformedConsent
What are you trying to hide? The very high Black on Black crime rate in Chicago that neither the Democrats nor Obama (from Chicago) have been able to get under control?
I'm not trying to hide anything....
What would make you say that.
As a black person, I have provided other actual majority black cities as evidence of them having high crime, as did other posters (Detroit, St. Louis, Baltimore, Atlanta, etc.)
What I am trying to point out to those of you with blinders on your eyes is that you are overly focused on gun control in Chcago, when there is NOT strict gun control in Chicago. The crime rates in Chicago are NOT the highest in the country (and FWIW, there is no such thing as "black on black" crime, crime is crime). So all of your weekly post about Chicago shootings and murders is ridiculous to people who can think and not naively believe every headline they read on the internet.
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