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Actually - what you are doing is creating an all or nothing scenario - which is not what I am saying. You are showing that you don't know what you are talking about.
So let me try to define this again.
Socialism - government control of outcome, industry, media, internet
Capitalism - free markets, outcome varies, this does not imply an absence of government services... it does imply government does not control any aspect of free enterprise
CONTROL is the key term. If people want to vote themselves a huge safety net - fine. Government should not look to control what the doctors do, and what the hospitals and insurance companies do. If someone needs help - help. Let the business run themselves. Local/state government should also provide minimal regulations to protect the consumer. Government should not be involved in how a company keeps its paperwork or data.
Does this make sense? It's about government control - not fully privatized everything.
Socialism is workers controlling the means of production. Workers. Not government. Worker co-ops is socialism.
Those who control the money controls the service. Why are you so against Medicare-for-all then?
You support Medicare but not Medicare for all? You support public roads and dont want to pay for a fully privatized road system? You support public schools and universities? Or should it be fully privatized in order to let businesses run themselves and get "the government off our backs!"?
Why do you insist upon making up your own scenarios to try and win an argument instead of dealing with what we are telling you?
Capitalism is not full privatization of everything.
You are using illogical arguments to defend your position thats why:
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Free public colleges? Nothing is free. What's wrong with paying for the services you receive? The cost is too high? Again - government is in the revenue stream jacking up the costs and creating this problem.
Do I think that it's evil that the government is involved in these things? It depends on the people in the government. People are evil - not government systems. Why don't these people in government just say they are socialists? Why do they have to hide? I think it's evil that people are purposely hiding their socialism
Yes, whats wrong with paying for the services you receive? So practice what you preach! Privatize all services. That includes roads, parks, libraries, K-12 school system etc etc. Or do you like some services more than others, perhaps the services that benefit you!?
Socialism is workers controlling the means of production. Workers. Not government. Worker co-ops is socialism.
Those who control the money controls the service. Why are you so against Medicare-for-all then?
You support Medicare but not Medicare for all? You support public roads and dont want to pay for a fully privatized road system? You support public schools and universities? Or should it be fully privatized in order to let businesses run themselves and get "the government off our backs!"?
any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods
One more time for explaining Medicare - when government controls what care providers do - I am not for it. If they are strictly providing help for those who need it - I am OK with it if the public allows it.
I pay for roads through taxes. Roads are public use and is not a free market issue for me. It is agreed by the public for the government to handle roads. Education - give me back my taxes and let me fund it myself - yeah, I'm for that. I am not answering this anymore.
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Yes, whats wrong with paying for the services you receive? So practice what you preach! Privatize all services. That includes roads, parks, libraries, K-12 school system etc etc. Or do you like some services more than others, perhaps the services that benefit you!?
any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods
One more time for explaining Medicare - when government controls what care providers do - I am not for it. If they are strictly providing help for those who need it - I am OK with it if the public allows it.
I pay for roads through taxes. Roads are public use and is not a free market issue for me. It is agreed by the public for the government to handle roads. Education - give me back my taxes and let me fund it myself - yeah, I'm for that. I am not answering this anymore.
OK, so you are against Medicare as well.
So you support no public school system as well? Anyone with a child will have to fund schooling by themselves from kindergarten through university? You are basically advocating for America to turn into some poor African country. Businesses will flee America ASAP with your mentality.
You dont pay for roads through taxes. You pay for part of it, maybe, but if you practice what you preach and want everyone to pay for what they use like you say you want, you have to support fully privatized system with toll roads everywhere. Anything else is hypocritical.
Parks and libraries. Again, you dont pay for the use if you support it. Privatization is the only way. Same with public utilities, postal service, sewage system.
A safety net means nothing until YOU have a calamity that seriously hurts your ability to earn a living. Then, when you are on your last leg that safety net looks pretty good.
A safety net does not mean people do not have to work to earn a living.
And a safety net doesn't have to be paid for by stealing other people's money.
Work shorter hours? How about no work at all? You can enjoy all the leisures.
Is the freedom the same?
Can they own firearm as we do in USA? Do they have due process? Do they have the right to remain silence?
Is the health care the same? Do they have the most advanced medicine and medical treatment?
How about comparing the percentage of population receiving some form of government handout?
How about asking the populations in other countries if they think they NEED to own a firearm or have no desire to even if they're allowed, as most legally are?
How about the healthcare systems in those other countries experiencing better outcomes with their hospital experiences not being the 3rd largest cause of preventable deaths in their countries?
Oh; and you can throw in the longer lifespans enjoyed by most other countries as well for good measure.
Nope; the freedom is not the same. Yours is lacking.
People who view socialism as communism which by the way, are very different political ideologies, are illiterate in politics and frankly means they shouldn't even be on the POC forum if they don't know what they are talking about. But that would put all the right-wingers out of this forum, and where's the fun in that?
How about comparing the percentage of population receiving some form of government handout?
How about asking the populations in other countries if they think they NEED to own a firearm or have no desire to even if they're allowed, as most legally are?
How about the healthcare systems in those other countries experiencing better outcomes with their hospital experiences not being the 3rd largest cause of preventable deaths in their countries?
Oh; and you can throw in the longer lifespans enjoyed by most other countries as well for good measure.
Nope; the freedom is not the same. Yours is lacking.
Haar! I'm not the one living in a country where 51% of the population are taking a handout, afraid of my fellow citizens to the extent I need a firearm to maintain mental equilibrium, where every visit to the hospital is a crap shoot whether or not I live through some boob making a mistake and profiting from it.
People who view socialism as communism which by the way, are very different political ideologies, are illiterate in politics and frankly means they shouldn't even be on the POC forum if they don't know what they are talking about. But that would put all the right-wingers out of this forum, and where's the fun in that?
Please, enlighten us then.
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