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No form of collectivism/statism, from "democracy" to "communism" can exist without widespread violence, aggression, and coercion. Whether the rulers are the "workers", "majority", "plutocracy", "capitalists", is of no import and does not change the essential evils of all forms of "government".
"Governments" are just groups enslaving other groups with violence, aggression, and coercion. They are all inherently evil and immoral. They are all anti-freedom and anti-human.
and corporations dont also enslave people and coerce them ? , its nonsense to view goverment as inherently malevolent and business as being incapable of same
and corporations dont also enslave people and coerce them ? , its nonsense to view goverment as inherently malevolent and business as being incapable of same
How do corporations enslave and coerce people?
Yes, government is inherently malevolent because it has been and will use violence against its own people. Governments have murdered far more of their own citizens than all wars combined.
Corporations do not have such power. Do corporations do bad things? Of course, they do. No power should be left unchecked.
So I listened to the video - didn't hear much socialism.
A government that provides services is not socialism.
Sounds like most of their population works. Why? Is the government making them work, or are they freely pursuing their interests? Sounded like they are free to pursue their interests.
They have their own land and houses. That's not socialism.
More people ride public transportation. OK. That's their culture. Local government provides a service. That's not socialism.
Their work is more manual than the US. Minimum wage at $25/hr. How much to products cost over there in comparison to products in the US?
I think you have a different idea of socialism than I do, because there wasn't much in the video.
The problem is that people don't care to understand the distinctions between social democracies, socialism, and communism. They essentially throw the baby out with the bathwater because of semantics. I would garner that most of the Sander's supporters aspire to that video.
Here's a micro-version of the type of safety net I would appreciate for all people. I am part of a trade union. I need to work hard to keep my job. There is a set minimum wage for all classifications depending on training.
Remember MINIMUM. Anybody can make more than that wage, but they cannot make less than what their classification requires. If I do not show up, or do poor work I'm sent packing. If I'm fired, I could face disciplinary action from the Union. If I'm fired without Just Cause, the union can help me fight to keep my job.
If I take a layoff, or quit, I can pick the job of my choosing without fear of losing my health benefits or retirement (kinda like universal healthcare and social security). My benefits follow me regardless of who I'm working for. I do not have to renegotiate my minimum wage, and I can take a leadership position that pays better. I recently quit a company I was with for several years because a job was hiring less than 10 minutes from my house. I didn't have to second guess my decision, I made the jump and couldn't be happier I did.
One of the arguments for a stronger safety net like universal healthcare, subsidized higher education, and stronger social security is that it would actually afford people more freedom because they are not tied to their employer for a specific set of benefits. That they could pursue riskier entrepreneurial endeavors because they do not have to fill as much time holding meaningless jobs.
and corporations dont also enslave people and coerce them ? , its nonsense to view goverment as inherently malevolent and business as being incapable of same
"Corporations" are fictional entities created by, and given special powers, and "rights" by government. Any evil that results from "corporations" are the evil that results from the government that created them.
The problem is that people don't care to understand the distinctions between social democracies, socialism, and communism. They essentially throw the baby out with the bathwater because of semantics. I would garner that most of the Sander's supporters aspire to that video.
Here's a micro-version of the type of safety net I would appreciate for all people. I am part of a trade union. I need to work hard to keep my job. There is a set minimum wage for all classifications depending on training.
Remember MINIMUM. Anybody can make more than that wage, but they cannot make less than what their classification requires. If I do not show up, or do poor work I'm sent packing. If I'm fired, I could face disciplinary action from the Union. If I'm fired without Just Cause, the union can help me fight to keep my job.
If I take a layoff, or quit, I can pick the job of my choosing without fear of losing my health benefits or retirement (kinda like universal healthcare and social security). My benefits follow me regardless of who I'm working for. I do not have to renegotiate my minimum wage, and I can take a leadership position that pays better. I recently quit a company I was with for several years because a job was hiring less than 10 minutes from my house. I didn't have to second guess my decision, I made the jump and couldn't be happier I did.
One of the arguments for a stronger safety net like universal healthcare, subsidized higher education, and stronger social security is that it would actually afford people more freedom because they are not tied to their employer for a specific set of benefits. That they could pursue riskier entrepreneurial endeavors because they do not have to fill as much time holding meaningless jobs.
The difference between democratic socialism, socialism and communism is like ...., sorry there's none.
The difference between democratic socialism, socialism and communism is like ...., sorry there's none.
Only muppets believe there is no difference between social democracy and communism. To believe that Canada or Germany (social democracies) are communist countries is so ignorant and ridiculous its impossible to take you seriously ever again!
Only muppets believe there is no difference between social democracy and communism. To believe that Canada or Germany (social democracies) are communist countries is so ignorant and ridiculous its impossible to take you seriously ever again!
I am a Canadian and I had first hand experience with "social democracy" or whatever that is.
I am also an immigrant from a socialist country watching my parents made a living in that country. Yes, I know all the glory about the socialism.
What do you have?
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