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Old 09-05-2016, 07:58 AM
 
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Right lol
Many Americans willingly gave their jobs up to them in order to collect welfare and those unskilled high paying labor jobs were unsustainable anyway. Look around, assume all the brown people you see working are illegal. This country will be screwed if they are sent back,you'll be cutting your own lawn because the neighbor kid billy doesn't want to leave his bedroom to earn some money and doesn't need to because mommy and daddy have spoiled him rotten.
And I don't blame creative employers for trying to be efficient and work around govt restrictions.

Are you serious? Americans were displaced on their construction, landscaping and many other blue-collared jobs by cheap illegals willing to work for less. They did not give up those jobs to collect welfare instead. You have to have dependent children in order to collect welfare and even at that it has a limited timeframe.


Brown people? Why pull the skin color card? It's not just brown people here illegally. I don't assume anyone of any skin color is here illegally. But the fact is that millions of them are!


Most average Americans cut their own lawns and the rich can afford to pay an American to do it. Illegals aren't just cutting Joe Smith's lawn they have taken over the major, commercial landscaping jobs and they use to pay a decent wage.


Oh stop with the demonizing of Americans. People like you make me sick! These greedy employers cannot creatively hire illegal aliens. Why do you care so little for American workers?

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Old 09-05-2016, 08:00 AM
 
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A true Republican that believes in capitalism and not in socialism would hire a person that can do the job for the lowest possible salary. Why are Republicans complaining about good old capitalism?

What is a true capitalist supposed to do? Hire a legal American for a much higher salary as a form of charity? I thought that was socialism!
Well if that's the case, let's hire wanted felons and murderers

What's a little law breaking among friends

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Old 09-05-2016, 08:01 AM
 
Location: Tampa, FL
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Who the hell did them before the 1986 Act was signed?

Illegal Aliens Taking U.S. Jobs
Florida I rarely see anyone other than Hispanics doing landscaping, construction, roofing, harvesting fruit. If I needed a job I'd bet out there among them if I had to.
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Old 09-05-2016, 08:12 AM
 
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It is not about being "beneath them".

If the job doesn't maintain the lifestyle, it has no value but to those that can be exploited to do it.


Let me just say. I started in the construction trades right out of high school. Made good money and soon had my very own contracting business. Then came the 1990's.

Now, check this out. The going rate in 1990, is 3 times the going rates paid today for the very same work I did back then in construction.
So, it isn't about being "beneath anyone" It is about survival in a Nation where the cost of living is getting out of control, while the illegal have come over and suppressed the cost of labor, to keep up with the cost of living. I could work 24 hours a day 7 days a week working my fingers to the bone today doing what I did in the 1990's and I would not be able to afford a family, much less a home. I would not get the benefits the illegals get, that subsidizes their existence here, living in the slum barrios, in each sanctuary city.
I guess you are not for right wing capitalism or survival of the fittest!
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Old 09-05-2016, 08:15 AM
 
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Well if that's the case, let's hire wanted felons and murderers

What's a little law breaking among friends

If these migrants were legal they would still do the job for less money. And any red blooded American capitalist who owns a business will always hire a worker based on whatever the market is paying at that time.

Asking for the government to intervene and interfere with capitalism is socialism.
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Old 09-05-2016, 08:16 AM
 
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I resent when people say "jobs American's don't want to do"

Pure BS.

The septic tank guy said to me before climbing into the tank "you do what you have to do to put food in your kids mouths"

he was a laid off factory worker, now septic tank guy.
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Old 09-05-2016, 08:18 AM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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Not buying the construction argument for one second, and anyone can look up the average salary and then compare to the COL for a given locality. More hyperbole at best.

I lived it and saw first hand for myself. Those of us along the border, saw it happening 10-15 years prior to the northern states that got their taste of illegals from south of the border, less than 10 years ago.
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Old 09-05-2016, 08:18 AM
 
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If these migrants were legal they would still do the job for less money. And any red blooded American capitalist who owns a business will always hire a worker based on whatever the market is paying at that time.

Asking for the government to intervene and interfere with capitalism is socialism.
Ahh, the magic word..."if". But right now that's not the case, so you are advocating hiring people that have broken the law for labor. As far as I know, no system, Capitalism or any other, advocates doing that.
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Old 09-05-2016, 08:19 AM
 
Location: Barrington
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I am not so sure about that. Unemployment isn't what it used to be. The total package of benefits that the unemployed receive approaches $15 an hour, if not more. I wish somebody as a social experiment would offer $50 an hour to pick lettuce and see who shows up.
There's a Vice documentary out there about watermelon seeding and harvesting in Alabama.

The state made E- Verify the law for all employers/ employees. The illegal workers migrated to adjoining states who chose not to make E-Verify a state law.

The farm offered Minimum Wage to US workers. There were takers. They did not last the day in the heat with the heavy workload. The crop rotted.

The Alabama farmers realized they could not compete on price with growers in other states if they had to offer Minimum Wage especially for low production.

They asked the state for help thinking those on welfare could be required to work the field. Most recipients are women with children, disabled or elderly not suitable for heavy farm work.

Next season, they worked with the state and hired big beefy inmates paying the state cents on the dollar. They too did not last in the heat with the heavy workload. The crop rotted.

No reason Big Grocer and thus consumers were going to pay a substantial premium for watermelon planted and harvested by US workers when cheap watermelon was available from most states that rejected E- Verify and continued to pay undocumented workers by the pound harvested.

The US has been importing farm workers for more than 100 years, no different than other countries.
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Old 09-05-2016, 08:20 AM
 
Location: Montgomery County, PA
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Who will shovel **** for $7.25/hour in 90 degree heat? Who will shovel **** for $30/hr in 90 degree heat?
You would if you wanted to eat. The "safety net" creates a wage floor below which nobody is willing to work. I know many who were laid off and openly said they would not look for another job until their benefits run out. Granted, they were the female wage earners of a two income family but still the point is made.
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