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Old 09-05-2016, 11:03 AM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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Originally Posted by bodyforlife99 View Post
Yes of course. Dodge and deflect, dodge and deflect. Let me know when you can find a system that encourages illegal activity (I won't hold my breath). And I really don't care about your little "Right wing", "Left wing" nonsense. You're so busy trying to label people, you can't have an objective conversation. What part of both sides are at fault don't you understand?

Oh how I wish people would use some critical thinking skills and focus on issues instead of this picking baseball team BS.

Citizenship is one of just a few jobs government is actually authorized to determine.

When government fails to hear the people, we get people like Donald Trump, saying things more than 2/3 are saying, that government has failed to hear, for the best interest of their bank accounts.

Government failing to listen to the people, got us Donald Trump in the position he is in today.
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Old 09-05-2016, 11:09 AM
 
Location: Barrington
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No it is not unique to Florida. Every Republican legislated State has sanctuary Counties or Parishes. Islands of blue in the sea of red

There are more than 10 Sanctuary Counties in Texas, with Travis County being the most progressive.

Heck, I can name entire states that are sanctuary states(Cali, New York, New Mexico). Not one of them, legislated by republican rule.


You tell me which party is looking out for American Citizens best interest and which party is looking out for the best interest of their bank accounts?
The state of Texas allows cities and counties to cherry- pick which federal laws they will enforce?

The state of Texas, like most states, had declined to make E-Verify a state law.

Reportedly, there are 3 dozen cities in Texas who fail to cooperate with ICE.
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Old 09-05-2016, 11:20 AM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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The state of Texas allows cities and counties to cherry- pick which federal laws they will enforce?
Our legislature has to get 2/3rd vote to pass anything, in both chambers, to maintain liberty for the people.

Yes, even in Texas... A sea of red, there are small Islands of Blue, where entire counties are run by democrats. Democrats that care more about the best interest of their bank accounts, than the best interest of the citizens.
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Old 09-05-2016, 11:20 AM
 
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Citizenship is one of just a few jobs government is actually authorized to determine.

When government fails to hear the people, we get people like Donald Trump, saying things more than 2/3 are saying, that government has failed to hear, for the best interest of their bank accounts.

Government failing to listen to the people, got us Donald Trump in the position he is in today.
Yes, of course. Please continue to root for baseball teams.
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Old 09-05-2016, 11:25 AM
 
Location: Barrington
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Nothing like a defeatist attitude, right? First off they aren't undocumented people they are illegal aliens. Only sympathizers to illegal aliens use PC terms such as "undocumented".


Removing all incentives for illegals to remain here will indeed cause many to self-deport. The wall would also be a deterrant for more wanting to come here. E-verify, denying them benefits and birthright citizenship for their kids would have illegal immigration down to a trickle.
Regardless of my choice of language, I likely trend further right on the topic of illegal immigration than most folk, including you.

Start with the root causes- employment and birthright citizenship.

Start with an investment in biotech E- Verify and make it mandatory for all employers/ employees.

Get a ruling from SCOTUS on birthright citizenship instead of parading a member of the Constitutional Authority of the Month Club to opine. I am less interested in the ruling than I am certainty.

Instead, it appears we will spin our wheels and waste years on the Great Wall thing or debating Hillary Reform and Amnesty.

It's all about root cause. Neither candidate seems particularly inclined to get to root cause.
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Old 09-05-2016, 11:28 AM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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Yes, of course. Please continue to root for baseball teams.
Is this a joke to you?

We the people, is my team.

If you like what the establishment is pedaling, I can only point out the conflict with liberty that brings.


There is poll going right now that only 6% of the people want OPEN borders
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Old 09-05-2016, 11:33 AM
 
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Is this a joke to you?

We the people, is my team.

If you like what the establishment is pedaling, I can only point out the conflict with liberty that brings.
Not a joke at all. I wish people could get off the Trump or Clinton references and just deal with the topic (that seems somewhat difficult for you). I wish people could stop using anecdotes from their personal experience instead of look at actual numbers that apply to the nation.

Is this a joke to you? Or can you have an objective conversation?
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Old 09-05-2016, 11:35 AM
 
Location: Prepperland
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Equitable trade means both parties are satisfied.
However, thanks to socialist government, you have to satisfy the government, and all those recipients dependent upon the trading parties.

Remember, any tax on "income" invariably shifts to the consumer - who is the source of the funds taxed from the laborer and the employer.

When the socialist overhead made it more and more difficult to survive on one's wages - due in part to supporting so many on so little - and employers' personnel budget could not endure more taxes - the remedy was to hire outside of the system - "undocumented" labor.

In other words, thanks to SOCIALISM, its bureaucracy and tax load, we have:
A) crippled American industries, and thus subsidized foreign (untaxed) producers;
B) crippled American labor, reducing the buying power of their wages;
C) crippled American employers, who can't make a profit by hiring American workers; and
D) consumers being forced to buy underperforming, overpriced, foreign schlock.

All this just so the government can tax and bribe into ever more glorious size and intumescent hubris.

ABOLISH SOCIALISM AND GET GOVERNMENT OUT OF BUSINESS
No more taxes on labor, production, industry.
No more administrative and bureaucratic overhead.
No more imposition of regulations.

Frankly, when there are no more taxes on American labor and industry, I think there will be such an economic boom (and sonic boom from returning industries), that there will be a renaissance of prosperity.
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Old 09-05-2016, 12:39 PM
 
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Regardless of my choice of language, I likely trend further right on the topic of illegal immigration than most folk, including you.

Start with the root causes- employment and birthright citizenship.

Start with an investment in biotech E- Verify and make it mandatory for all employers/ employees.

Get a ruling from SCOTUS on birthright citizenship instead of parading a member of the Constitutional Authority of the Month Club to opine. I am less interested in the ruling than I am certainty.

Instead, it appears we will spin our wheels and waste years on the Great Wall thing or debating Hillary Reform and Amnesty.

It's all about root cause. Neither candidate seems particularly inclined to get to root cause.

Trump has addressed the root causes and says he will take steps to eliminate them. It's not a Great Wall. Just complete the 700 mile wall on the most porous areas of our border already approved by congress.
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Old 09-05-2016, 12:47 PM
 
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Mexicans are very hard working people. I know there are drug dealers and criminals among them but the ones that work work hard. They not only do work you can't get Americans to do. They do traditional American jobs and do them well.

I'm not sure if they're here legal or illegal but the ones that are working part of the solution, not the problem. The criminal element is the problem.

Mexicans don't work any harder than any other group does. Those here illegally allow themselves to be exploited out of fear of deportation and losing their job so it just appears that way.


Just what jobs do they do that Americans won't do and were already doing before millions of cheap, illegals flooded our border? And please don't bring up the ole crop picking argument as only 2% of illegals are picking crops. Working here illegally is the solution to what? They are all criminals. Some more serious than others but they are all criminals and are subject to deportation. We don't need them for anything.
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