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Old 09-08-2016, 10:46 AM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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What a crock! And business owners who knowingly hires illegal aliens should lose their licenses, have a heavy fine imposed on them and serve some jail time. It is people like you that allow illegal immigration to continue. I ain't buying the lazy American BS and there is no right to come here for economic gain and take jobs from Americans. Americans have families to feed also.

Seizure of all business assets, including all stock, along with seizure of all personal assets, as they were acquired by illegal means.


I bet the word would get out like wild fire. Everyone would be doing their due diligence.
False information filed on an employee(red flags), would have the government right there at the employers, looking for this person using stolen Social Security numbers to work. No call. Not send a letter.
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Old 09-08-2016, 12:15 PM
 
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Whether or not you "buy it" doesn't make it any less true. I lived it and watched it change over the years. We didn't necessarily like it but we had our livelihoods to protect........and BTW, I didn't own the company, I merely ran the field operations but even if it had been my company, I probably would have done the same thing. In our area, it was the industry standard. If you wanted to stay alive, you had no other choice.

The picture isn't as simple as you paint it to be no matter how much you wish it wasn't so.

So Americans weren't ran off their construction jobs by illegal aliens and their greedy employers in the first place? You know better than that.


No business should be allowed to survive by breaking the law. It's really that simple.
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Old 09-08-2016, 12:32 PM
 
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Whether or not you "buy it" doesn't make it any less true. I lived it and watched it change over the years. We didn't necessarily like it but we had our livelihoods to protect........and BTW, I didn't own the company, I merely ran the field operations but even if it had been my company, I probably would have done the same thing. In our area, it was the industry standard. If you wanted to stay alive, you had no other choice.

The picture isn't as simple as you paint it to be no matter how much you wish it wasn't so.

Maybe the illegals should've replace you and the company owner, since they're so wonderful. That's the logical conclusion. Actually that does and is happening. English speaking illegal alien general contractor or business owner and illegal crew putting American owned and ran businesses out. That's the logical conclusion of foreign workers and globalism.
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Old 09-08-2016, 12:35 PM
 
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biggest talking point is that we need these people to do jobs others won't do.

biggest lie going, there's a lot more people than jobs, these jobs would have no problem being filled.
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Old 09-08-2016, 01:11 PM
 
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I changed diapers of special needs children and MR/DD Adults. In public schools we were required to have a Degree. Jobs Americans won't do? Well, maybe UNCARING Americans won't do.
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Old 09-08-2016, 01:21 PM
 
Location: Newport Beach, California
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The idea that illegals are “doing the jobs other people won’t do†is utter b.s.. Look at CA now where it’s overflowing with illegals, and there’s no way that they are just doing jobs others won’t do.

What this HUGE influx of illegals causes is the wages go down somewhat for the all kinds of jobs that other Americans actually would do. All of these jobs would get done without millions upon millions of illegals turning the country upside down. Like housekeeping. Normal Americans have done that for centuries, as well as legal immigrants, and the idea that this is beneath the dignity of legal citizens is ridiculous.

Farmers would adjust to the situation if there were not a flood of illegal labor available. By paying more. By adjusting to more profitable less labor intensive crops.

When unemployment rate is too high, you should even reduce the numbers of LEGAL immigrants, or at least, slow down the pace. Quota is important too. Let's have an honest discussion, shall we?
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Old 09-08-2016, 01:21 PM
 
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Amazing how the right wing "less government" crowd advocates more government when it is convenient to them.

Why not allow a true . A good conservative right wing Republican should be in favor of "laissez-faire" system at all times.
That is a more libertarian philosophy. A lot of conservatives have a nationalistic bent and would prefer to help their fellow citizens first if it would not bankrupt them. Libertarians are not patriotic.
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Old 09-08-2016, 01:35 PM
 
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That is a more libertarian philosophy. A lot of conservatives have a nationalistic bent and would prefer to help their fellow citizens first if it would not bankrupt them. Libertarians are not patriotic.

Not to mention "less government" and more enforcement of immigration law, a valid government function as it gets, is not mutually exclusive. Open borders does not result in less government.
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Old 09-08-2016, 02:13 PM
 
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Who did all these jobs before 1986 and the Green Card Act?

Were they not getting done?

People were different then. There were many more young American men who were in shape, mechanically inclined with a work ethic, fewer had college degrees, no real stigma to working blue collar jobs in most places. They got married and had families younger, and were willing to work hard to provide for them. Most people had a goal of home ownership and it was doable being a roofer or construction worker.
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Old 09-08-2016, 02:32 PM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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People were different then. There were many more young American men who were in shape, mechanically inclined with a work ethic, fewer had college degrees, no real stigma to working blue collar jobs in most places. They got married and had families younger, and were willing to work hard to provide for them. Most people had a goal of home ownership and it was doable being a roofer or construction worker.


Where are the vocational classes in High School? Since the illegals invaded, those much needed skills for Americans, have been all but eliminated.
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