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Old 09-06-2016, 09:38 AM
 
Location: Midwest
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That is non-relevant. However, since you brought up the auto industry, I worked as summer help on a GM factory line in 1978 while in college. I earned over $8/hr back in 1978. I was able to earn my tuition and room and board for the entire following year of college. Pay was good back then and college was affordable. Therefore, I was able to move up.
Correction! I looked up my wage on a GM truck line in the summer of 1978, it was over $12/hr! That was in 1978. Look how far we have fallen since then. We are now arguing about whether factory workers should be pain $15/hr 38 years later!

Think about that all of you who have no problem with the exorbitant salaries of CEOs https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...erage_slub.png and the poverty wages of laborers. No wonder the poverty rate has risen. http://www.heritage.org/~/media/info...art-6-825.ashx
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Old 09-06-2016, 09:44 AM
 
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Minimum wage jobs are considered entry level jobs for a reason. It is insane to pay $15.00 an hour for a job that requires little or no skill and 0 responsibility. I'm sorry but if someone wants to earn more than they need to have marketable skills that make them worth more.
Just for the record, factory line work is repetitive, hard, and unpleasant work. I have worked many different jobs over the years but the factory line was without a doubt the hardest.
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Old 09-06-2016, 09:52 AM
 
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They do earn a living wage. They're quite clearly living a lifestyle WAY beyond their means. That's their problem, not anyone else's.
You mean that someone who works an honest job full time is living outside their means if they need: a roof over their heads, healthcare, food, clothing, and a means of transportation?

$7.25/hr = $15080/year before deductions such as health insurance, FICA
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Old 09-06-2016, 09:55 AM
 
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Your pay should reflect the level of skill required to perform the job along with the level of responsibility.
Floor sweepers typically make less than machine operators. Machine operators make less than the mechanics. Mechanics make less than the shift supervisors.
Hey want to make more? Learn to do more than be a floor sweeper, a burger flipper or the guy that emities the trash cans.
Minimum wage jobs are entry level jobs.
I guarantee you that when the company doesn't pay a decent living wage, tax-payers fill in the rest via Medicaid, food stamps, tax credits, etc. Your tax dollars then supplement the exorbitant salaries of the CEOs who ultimately rape the company and then retire with a golden umbrella. Like paying for that?
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Old 09-06-2016, 09:57 AM
 
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Why don't the employees buy Ashley out? Then they can pay themselves as much as they want.

Or why doesn't someone who wants to pay employees $15 and hour start a furniture in CA that does that? Put their own money up instead of complaining about others.
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Old 09-06-2016, 09:59 AM
 
Location: SE Asia
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Just for the record, factory line work is repetitive, hard, and unpleasant work. I have worked many different jobs over the years but the factory line was without a doubt the hardest.
I work in a factory. Spare me the tall tail that it is the hardest. Allow me to provide examples of jobs that are more physically demanding and typically pay less than $15 an hour.
Dairy Farmer. I grew up on a dairy farm No contest factory work is a walk in the park compared to dairy farming.
Drywalling. Not only repetitive but back breaking. You might make $15 an hour doing it. That is unless the illegals have low balled you out of work.

Landscaping. Yeah you break your back doing that job and the pay? I got $8 an hour in 1990.

Factory work can be demanding, but not all factories require higher skills.
Repacking? Yes physically demanding at times. Skill required? Little to none.
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Old 09-06-2016, 10:02 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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You mean that someone who works an honest job full time is living outside their means if they need: a roof over their heads, healthcare, food, clothing, and a means of transportation?

$7.25/hr = $15080/year before deductions such as health insurance, FICA
That's all available to them at that income, just in not as high of a lifestyle.
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Old 09-06-2016, 10:02 AM
 
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I guarantee you that when the company doesn't pay a decent living wage, tax-payers fill in the rest via Medicaid, food stamps, tax credits, etc. Your tax dollars then supplement the exorbitant salaries of the CEOs who ultimately rape the company and then retire with a golden umbrella. Like paying for that?
But does the company pay a wage that reflects the skill required to do the job?
Should pay be based upon each individual needs rather than skill and ability?
I don't think so.
Define a decent living wage? Is it the company's fault if Mary has 4 children to support? Should the company pay Mary more than Tom, Because Tom has no children to support?
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Old 09-06-2016, 10:03 AM
 
Location: Midwest
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I work in a factory. Spare me the tall tail that it is the hardest. Allow me to provide examples of jobs that are more physically demanding and typically pay less than $15 an hour.
Dairy Farmer. I grew up on a dairy farm No contest factory work is a walk in the park compared to dairy farming.
Drywalling. Not only repetitive but back breaking. You might make $15 an hour doing it. That is unless the illegals have low balled you out of work.

Landscaping. Yeah you break your back doing that job and the pay? I got $8 an hour in 1990.

Factory work can be demanding, but not all factories require higher skills.
Repacking? Yes physically demanding at times. Skill required? Little to none.
So you are saying you only deserve $8/hr because your job is not so physically demanding?
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Old 09-06-2016, 10:05 AM
 
Location: Midwest
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That's all available to them at that income, just in not as high of a lifestyle.
Unless they have a health condition and need, for example, an EpiPen. Then what?
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