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Old 09-22-2016, 10:38 PM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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Originally Posted by Prickly Pear View Post
Well good thing I'm a left-Libertarian, you must like me a lot.
I'm an anarcho-capitalist so I'm just waiting for you to slide over a bit more to being 100% anti-State.
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Old 09-23-2016, 12:08 AM
 
Location: Garbage, NC
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I am a white, middle class (possibly the lower end of the upper middle class) female in my late 20s. I grew up in an Air Force town and now live in a tiny town on the outskirts. I grew up poor, then middle class, then very, very poor. I was poor when I moved out my mom's house, and I was poor when I lived on my own. I've been poor for more of my life than I've been not poor, at least that I can remember, but I'm doing well now.

I've always believed in Republican views. I've always believed that it's good to support business owners because they create jobs. I've always believed that working hard will eventually net you a good living, and for me, it has.

Regardless of my beliefs, I've always gotten along with others around me just fine. At one point, my now-husband and I lived in a trailer park in which we were the only white residents after the only other white family moved out. Our neighbors were poor black Democrats, and we were poor white Republicans. For the most part, we got along beautifully. I'll never forget the wonderful nights we spent together, grilling out, listening to music, having a few beers and having real conversations. We could have talks about controversial issues and would "say our piece" and then move on to the next thing.

To this day, I'm able to have political conversations with my Hispanic friends, black friends, older white liberal friends, etc...

...it's when we get to the young white liberals that I have a problem. Whereas all of my other friends, who come from all different parts of the political spectrum and from all different demographics, can listen to my views and share their own so that we can have a conversation about it, my young, white liberal friends are...well...ya'll know. They're right, and not only is everyone else wrong, but they're also a bigot. Conversations aren't opened to discuss things, it's agree with me or you're wrong and a bigot.

So no, as a moderate conservative, I won't say that I don't have anything in common with liberals. I've always felt that most liberals have people's best interests at heart but aren't always looking at the big picture. As someone with moderate views, I can agree with some leftist views or can at least understand where a leftist is coming from, sometimes.

But honestly, for me, it's the white leftists who are so hardcore who I can't get along with. So many of them want to tell me I'm a "bigot" or a "racist" or that I'm "privileged" as a response to anything that I say, as if it's supposed to shut down the conversation. Yet, I know many of them personally and have since we were kids, and they are the ones who were born with a silver spoon in their mouth, who lived in nothing but all-white neighborhoods, who didn't have to work ****ty jobs. They're the ones who are still, to this day, nervous about going into certain areas, when I lived in and worked in these areas and have plenty of friends there.
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Old 09-23-2016, 08:06 AM
 
Location: San Diego
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I am a white, middle class (possibly the lower end of the upper middle class) female in my late 20s. I grew up in an Air Force town and now live in a tiny town on the outskirts. I grew up poor, then middle class, then very, very poor. I was poor when I moved out my mom's house, and I was poor when I lived on my own. I've been poor for more of my life than I've been not poor, at least that I can remember, but I'm doing well now.

I've always believed in Republican views. I've always believed that it's good to support business owners because they create jobs. I've always believed that working hard will eventually net you a good living, and for me, it has.

Regardless of my beliefs, I've always gotten along with others around me just fine. At one point, my now-husband and I lived in a trailer park in which we were the only white residents after the only other white family moved out. Our neighbors were poor black Democrats, and we were poor white Republicans. For the most part, we got along beautifully. I'll never forget the wonderful nights we spent together, grilling out, listening to music, having a few beers and having real conversations. We could have talks about controversial issues and would "say our piece" and then move on to the next thing.

To this day, I'm able to have political conversations with my Hispanic friends, black friends, older white liberal friends, etc...

...it's when we get to the young white liberals that I have a problem. Whereas all of my other friends, who come from all different parts of the political spectrum and from all different demographics, can listen to my views and share their own so that we can have a conversation about it, my young, white liberal friends are...well...ya'll know. They're right, and not only is everyone else wrong, but they're also a bigot. Conversations aren't opened to discuss things, it's agree with me or you're wrong and a bigot.

So no, as a moderate conservative, I won't say that I don't have anything in common with liberals. I've always felt that most liberals have people's best interests at heart but aren't always looking at the big picture. As someone with moderate views, I can agree with some leftist views or can at least understand where a leftist is coming from, sometimes.

But honestly, for me, it's the white leftists who are so hardcore who I can't get along with. So many of them want to tell me I'm a "bigot" or a "racist" or that I'm "privileged" as a response to anything that I say, as if it's supposed to shut down the conversation. Yet, I know many of them personally and have since we were kids, and they are the ones who were born with a silver spoon in their mouth, who lived in nothing but all-white neighborhoods, who didn't have to work ****ty jobs. They're the ones who are still, to this day, nervous about going into certain areas, when I lived in and worked in these areas and have plenty of friends there.
Wow, I think we might be related Well said.
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Old 09-23-2016, 08:17 AM
 
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Good. Religion is divisive bullsh*t responsible for the majority of bloodshed and regressive behavior. Maybe one day we can have a peaceful society without such heavy religious influence. Maybe one day I can have the full rights to my body that I deserve without old white GOP men telling me what to do with it under religious beliefs.
Can you explain this.......where is religion stopping you from doing anything?


What can't you do to your body?
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Old 09-23-2016, 08:19 AM
 
Location: Home, Home on the Front Range
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Interesting you bring up those values. Leftists no longer value traditional activities/interests: church (religion), education, etc.
Can you prove, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that the person sitting in the pew next to you every Sunday morning is not a leftist?
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Old 09-23-2016, 08:24 AM
 
Location: Home, Home on the Front Range
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That's exactly how liberalism racial identity politics works and liberalism in general. But it goes beyond swindling the other white persons out of resources. They use other groups as a biological weapon to completely disrupt the white genetic group..liberalism is working on the genetic level.
So whites are forced to have relations with non-whites now, are they?

Wow, the things one learns on this forum.
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Old 09-23-2016, 10:29 AM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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I wish there was some way that leftists could have half the country and the rest of us live in the other half. I really don't want to have anything to do with them at all.
You are the author of "don't want to have anything to do with them at all". You created it. You dislike the left? You created that dislike. Own it. We can't help you.
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Old 09-23-2016, 10:33 AM
 
Location: Native of Any Beach/FL
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I am a white, middle class (possibly the lower end of the upper middle class) female in my late 20s. I grew up in an Air Force town and now live in a tiny town on the outskirts. I grew up poor, then middle class, then very, very poor. I was poor when I moved out my mom's house, and I was poor when I lived on my own. I've been poor for more of my life than I've been not poor, at least that I can remember, but I'm doing well now.

I've always believed in Republican views. I've always believed that it's good to support business owners because they create jobs. I've always believed that working hard will eventually net you a good living, and for me, it has.

Regardless of my beliefs, I've always gotten along with others around me just fine. At one point, my now-husband and I lived in a trailer park in which we were the only white residents after the only other white family moved out. Our neighbors were poor black Democrats, and we were poor white Republicans. For the most part, we got along beautifully. I'll never forget the wonderful nights we spent together, grilling out, listening to music, having a few beers and having real conversations. We could have talks about controversial issues and would "say our piece" and then move on to the next thing.

To this day, I'm able to have political conversations with my Hispanic friends, black friends, older white liberal friends, etc...

...it's when we get to the young white liberals that I have a problem. Whereas all of my other friends, who come from all different parts of the political spectrum and from all different demographics, can listen to my views and share their own so that we can have a conversation about it, my young, white liberal friends are...well...ya'll know. They're right, and not only is everyone else wrong, but they're also a bigot. Conversations aren't opened to discuss things, it's agree with me or you're wrong and a bigot.

So no, as a moderate conservative, I won't say that I don't have anything in common with liberals. I've always felt that most liberals have people's best interests at heart but aren't always looking at the big picture. As someone with moderate views, I can agree with some leftist views or can at least understand where a leftist is coming from, sometimes.

But honestly, for me, it's the white leftists who are so hardcore who I can't get along with. So many of them want to tell me I'm a "bigot" or a "racist" or that I'm "privileged" as a response to anything that I say, as if it's supposed to shut down the conversation. Yet, I know many of them personally and have since we were kids, and they are the ones who were born with a silver spoon in their mouth, who lived in nothing but all-white neighborhoods, who didn't have to work ****ty jobs. They're the ones who are still, to this day, nervous about going into certain areas, when I lived in and worked in these areas and have plenty of friends there.



hate to tell you but democrats also have big business and jobs--
Now political PEOPLE - those who are Repubs or Dems FIRST and above all- they are all disgusting - they cant even have dinner together with their own family-- we are all human first some choose not to be
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Old 09-23-2016, 10:51 AM
 
Location: Caribou, Me.
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Can you prove, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that the person sitting in the pew next to you every Sunday morning is not a leftist?
Nope. Very unlikely but I can't be sure. If there were more than a few, I would probably start asking if I was attending the right church. (But my church has very traditional beliefs and practices, so I doubt that any leftist would be there).
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Old 09-23-2016, 11:31 AM
 
Location: Secure Bunker
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Good. Religion is divisive bullsh*t responsible for the majority of bloodshed and regressive behavior. Maybe one day we can have a peaceful society without such heavy religious influence. Maybe one day I can have the full rights to my body that I deserve without old white GOP men telling me what to do with it under religious beliefs.
Secular atheists like Stalin, Mao and Pol Pot set the all time world record for murder in the space of 75 years. Between 80 and 100 million murdered. Not killed in war... murdered by the State.

Yes, there have been religious wars, but atheists have set what is likely to be an unbreakable record short of total nuclear holocaust.
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