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That's generally true, for England at least, but there are a lot of exceptions and caveats. Even in the most urban areas plenty of people voted leave while in the most rural areas plenty of people voted remain. In London itself 4 out of every 10 votes went to the leave side which is not a small proportion.
It's certainly not a straight split between southern England and the rest of England as was suggested a few posts back, many areas in southern England were pro-leave while many places in northern England were pro-remain, especially the big cities.
The biggest factors in England that I can see were between more prosperous areas against less prosperous areas, areas with higher education levels against areas with lower education levels (very related to the previous factor), younger areas against older areas, urban areas against rural/suburban areas. The last two factors overlap a lot as rural areas tend to be much older than urban areas.
In Scotland and Northern Ireland there were other dynamics in place that override those factors, Wales was similar to England other than the areas where Welsh-language speakers are the majority which voted Remain despite being old, less prosperous and very rural.
So with the exception of Wales, the more prosperous, younger, more educated voted to remain, while the less prosperous, older, less educated voted to leave.
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It's worth noting that the backstop was originally suggested by May, as a way to ensure no borders in Ireland while taking the rest of the UK out of the EU customs union /single market. That didn't go down well with her party and the DUP in parliament though so she has been trying to backtrack since then.
Regardless of who originally suggested it, Tusk appears to be looking at it one way while the UK sees it in another way. Angela Merkel does not want the hard Brexit. It remains to be seen if she can take him by the scruff of his neck and get rid of the backstop.
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So with the exception of Wales, the more prosperous, younger, more educated voted to remain, while the less prosperous, older, less educated voted to leave.
Regardless of who originally suggested it, Tusk appears to be looking at it one way while the UK sees it in another way. Angela Merkel does not want the hard Brexit. It remains to be seen if she can take him by the scruff of his neck and get rid of the backstop.
It's not Tusk it's Ireland, who unsuprisingly are keen for the UK to maintain our obligations under the GFA.
It's not Tusk it's Ireland, who unsuprisingly are keen for the UK to maintain our obligations under the GFA.
This is a difficult problem to figure out.
Understandable that the Irish do not want a hard border that might bring back the Troubles.
Understandable that the EU wants a hard border with inspections, customs agents and so forth.
The idea that this could all be handled unobtrusively by technology that has not yet been developed seems a little pie in the sky. From what I've read, the fear is that any signs of border infrastructure, even cameras, would be targets.
The only feasible solution seems to be reunification.
I think it's reasonable to say that the spike in inflation was caused by the falling value of the Pound, its a very well known economic phenomenon, any other credible explanations of why it suddenly happened shortly after the fall in currency value? ....
The Pound is a fiat currency just like all the other reserve currencies. It's value, relative to the $ or Euro is based on the current policies of the BOE, ECB and the FED. It's got little to do with the economic state of the UK, EU or USA. That's the entire point of fiat.
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Of course it has a lot to do with the confidence markets have in the state of the economy. The BOE doesn't change its policies daily but the currency rate shifts daily, monetary policy is only one factor in exchange rates. The BOE didn't change its monetary policy on June 24 2016 but the pound collapsed from $1.48 to $1.32 by June 28, a fall of 11%. No changes in monetary policy to cause that, just a referendum result.
Just like I said he would, Macron has caved yet again. He's a little yapping poodle. Lots of noise, no bark. EU is going to give an unlimited extension.
Article 50 is now meaningless. BRexit is effectively canceled. It's never going to happen.
What remains now is how long the Conservative party remains in power in the UK.
The UK Parliament has had its debate over how long the extension request should be and have agreed it should be to June 30, 2019. This is interesting, because no participation in the EU elections is required for an extension to June 30, as the new Parliament is not sworn in until July 2, 2019.
MPs have voted overwhelmingly to back a Government motion authorising the prime minister to request a Brexit delay until 30 June, by 420 votes to 110.
The division list showed there were 97 Conservative MPs who voted against the motion to request a further Brexit delay. They were joined by nine DUP MPs, three Labour and Independent Frank Field (Birkenhead) in opposing the motion. There were 223 Labour MPs who supported the motion along with 131 Tory MPs, 33 SNP, 17 Independents, 11 Liberal Democrats, four Plaid Cymru and Green Party MP Caroline Lucas (Brighton Pavilion).
This was a trap that Theresa May set for those who want to revoke Brexit but are too scared to come out and say so. They refused to step into it. However, at the same time they failed to empower May to seek an extension beyond the end of the current term of the EU Parliament, or to embrace any solution that would require the UK to participate in the May 23, 2019 EU Parliamentary elections.
Of course the EU leaders may still propose a longer extension and it will be probably the climax of this entire story to see how May responds to that. But one good way could be to encourage the EU - in their never ending arrogance - to load the proposal up with so many restrictive conditions that it is unsupportable by the UK Parliament.
This is really starting to get a little bit tense.
Just like I said he would, Macron has caved yet again. He's a little yapping poodle. Lots of noise, no bark. EU is going to give an unlimited extension.
Article 50 is now meaningless. BRexit is effectively canceled. It's never going to happen.
What remains now is how long the Conservative party remains in power in the UK.
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