Vladimir Putin says he will not 'stoop to Barack Obama's level' by expelling US diplomats from Russia (crimes, party)
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CIA questions?? What makes this fight so tricky is that the CIA’s best evidence really might be information that it can’t release publicly without compromising valuable sources of future intelligence. That means the CIA needs to convince a skeptical public to accept its conclusions without sharing all of the information that led the intelligence agency to make those conclusions in the first place.http://www.vox.com/new-money/2016/12...russia-hacking
now for my one vet up there- who said not to question his alliance- The US and every other country does good and bad things alike -- yes none as prefect-- we KNOW that- BUT as a wife of a fallen soldier-- I'll be ##dang if I side with any other country but my own - that's just not happening To support some 4 yr president that will come and GO- who has money ties to Russia- and not wanting to throw them under the bus- that is BS
Thats not how it works. They don't have to release classified information. They can simply state that they have the proof. An official statement. They can show the proof to members of congress who are cleared to see it. They can in turn say, I have seen the proof and Russia did it.
This is the way its done. Think back to the Saddam had WMD chant. The CIA made official statements. Tons of people with inside CIA access going on the record saying they have seen the proof. US President declassifying a few bits of information and showing it to the world and even went to the UN. NONE OF THAT IS HAPPENING. Turns out they fabricated it and overstated the evidence they didn't declassify, but still, this is how you convince people you have the goods.
Nobody said anything about siding with Russia. We are saying that Putin is kicking Obamas ass and is making him (and by extension the entire US) look like idiots. Obama and Hillary made this grand play to recaste the Middle East and they chose to do it by backing terrorists. This is well documented and beyond doubt. It happened. We are disgusted with US actions, not enamored by Russia.
They didn't count on Putin wading into it. The second Russia stepped into it they doubled down instead of running. They got exposed. Obama placed us on the wrong side of that and history will show it. To get back at Russia and Putin they backed a coup in Ukraine and were all sitting around toasting each other about how smart they were for sticking it to Russia by taking away a major military base and strategic area. Once again they were beat when Russia backed their own coup of sorts and held a referendum in Crimea where the people voted to rejoin Russia. This again made Obama and the US look like bumbling fools.
And as far as money ties go....I believe it was Hillary who took Russian money. Its on the record if you care to look. She took money to transfer technology to Russia. She took money to push through Russia acquisition of a big chunk of US uranium reserves. Podesta's brother is a lobbyist for Sberbank...a Russian bank with known ties to Putin.
The truth is that any powerful political or business people can be connected to nearly any country, especially a major power like Russia. The fact that Trump has had some business dealings with Russians doesn't bother me nearly as much as the Clintons selling out our country, repeatedly, to the Russians for a few bucks.
"Earlier this week, I met separately with (Director) FBI James Comey and DNI Jim Clapper, and there is strong consensus among us on the scope, nature, and intent of Russian interference in our presidential election."
"The three of us also agree that our organizations, along with others, need to focus on completing the thorough review of this issue that has been directed by President Obama and which is being led by the DNI."
The big difference is that in 2012 Russia wasn't doing anything to us to be considered a threat. Most people would think the safer action is to not try to treat a neutral party as an enemy until they start behaving like an enemy.
Meanwhile, the ignorant Right's position is that when Russia is not a threat, we should treat them like a threat. When they start being a threat, then we should start reconciling and being friendly... Wtf is wrong w/ you, comrade?
Such ignorance. Your position is that Russia wasn't acting aggressively before 2012?
Fact is, the other poster was spouting off BS. Obama was not acting neutral. Obama was promising Putin more flexibility and a free hand to run amok AFTER the election as more acts by Putin beforehand would help Romney. Obama also cut out Bush's missile defense shield in Poland.
Obama was not neutral with Russia in 2012.
Democrat posters were on here naively asserting in 2012 (along with Obama on the national stage) that Russia wasn't even a geo-political adversary. That is pure idiocy.
Now you want to compound that low-IQ logic by asserting that anyone who questions Obama's hypocrisy is a Putin-sycophant.
Obama has spied on countries, Obama has interfered in foreign elections, Obama has hacked foreign countries, Obama declared hacking an act of war and then hacked our allies, Obama has given weapons to terrorists, Obama's government has spied on the Senate and spied on journalists foreign and domestic...we are every bit as bad as Russia supposedly is for the 2016 interference.
Why is it okay for Obama to do all of that, but then not expect it in return?
We still haven't released the evidence that Russia even hacked us. Why can't I ask for that to be released before we get aggressive?
Thats not how it works. They don't have to release classified information. They can simply state that they have the proof. An official statement. They can show the proof to members of congress who are cleared to see it. They can in turn say, I have seen the proof and Russia did it.
This is the way its done. Think back to the Saddam had WMD chant. The CIA made official statements. Tons of people with inside CIA access going on the record saying they have seen the proof. US President declassifying a few bits of information and showing it to the world and even went to the UN. NONE OF THAT IS HAPPENING. Turns out they fabricated it and overstated the evidence they didn't declassify, but still, this is how you convince people you have the goods.
Nobody said anything about siding with Russia. We are saying that Putin is kicking Obamas ass and is making him (and by extension the entire US) look like idiots. Obama and Hillary made this grand play to recaste the Middle East and they chose to do it by backing terrorists. This is well documented and beyond doubt. It happened. We are disgusted with US actions, not enamored by Russia.
They didn't count on Putin wading into it. The second Russia stepped into it they doubled down instead of running. They got exposed. Obama placed us on the wrong side of that and history will show it. To get back at Russia and Putin they backed a coup in Ukraine and were all sitting around toasting each other about how smart they were for sticking it to Russia by taking away a major military base and strategic area. Once again they were beat when Russia backed their own coup of sorts and held a referendum in Crimea where the people voted to rejoin Russia. This again made Obama and the US look like bumbling fools.
And as far as money ties go....I believe it was Hillary who took Russian money. Its on the record if you care to look. She took money to transfer technology to Russia. She took money to push through Russia acquisition of a big chunk of US uranium reserves. Podesta's brother is a lobbyist for Sberbank...a Russian bank with known ties to Putin.
The truth is that any powerful political or business people can be connected to nearly any country, especially a major power like Russia. The fact that Trump has had some business dealings with Russians doesn't bother me nearly as much as the Clintons selling out our country, repeatedly, to the Russians for a few bucks.
One day we shall have a lesson on agencies press releases- There is more to come- and the FBI gave what it had for the moment. This put the public on the what's going on with the actions at this time. The CIA works Internationally and I am very sure we have some fat moles in- -- People think spy vs spy is only in the movies. How wrong they are---anyhow- in maybe a month- more will be exposed to the public- Happy New Years
Such ignorance. Your position is that Russia wasn't acting aggressively before 2012?
Fact is, the other poster was spouting off BS. Obama was not acting neutral. Obama was promising Putin more flexibility and a free hand to run amok AFTER the election as more acts by Putin beforehand would help Romney. Obama also cut out Bush's missile defense shield in Poland.
Obama was not neutral with Russia in 2012.
Democrat posters were on here naively asserting in 2012 (along with Obama on the national stage) that Russia wasn't even a geo-political adversary. That is pure idiocy.
Now you want to compound that low-IQ logic by asserting that anyone who questions Obama's hypocrisy is a Putin-sycophant.
Obama has spied on countries, Obama has interfered in foreign elections, Obama has hacked foreign countries, Obama declared hacking an act of war and then hacked our allies, Obama has given weapons to terrorists, Obama's government has spied on the Senate and spied on journalists foreign and domestic...we are every bit as bad as Russia supposedly is for the 2016 interference.
Why is it okay for Obama to do all of that, but then not expect it in return?
We still haven't released the evidence that Russia even hacked us. Why can't I ask for that to be released before we get aggressive?
Okay. Let's focus on that. It was pure idiocy to say that Russia was not our geo-political adversary in 2012 BEFORE they annexed Crimea and fomented the civil conflict in Ukraine.
So HOW TF is it not even more idiotic to claim that we should be friendly and conciliatory AFTER they did both those things?! EVERY single one of you Putin-phile CD Conservatives have been ducking this question for weeks. At some point, on of yall is going to have to man up and defend yourselves, comrade...
Truly amazed at the level of outright denial that exists among the alt right Trumpsters on this forum. The heads of the intelligence agencies have come out and said it. The FBI has officially come out and said it. Every other intelligence agency that Congress funds with billions in dollars has confirmed the findings that the Russian Government hacked the 2016 election with the intent of damaging Hillary Clinton, yet these people dance around the truth right in front of their nose.
I swear that if they **** their pants and someone called them out on it, they'd swear it was chocolate and eat it, just to prove you wrong.
No they haven't. But if you wish to point out an official press release from the CIA, FBI, or any other government agency where they prove that Russians hacked the US election system, then be our guest.
Except the C.I. frickin A. never said that. It was 1 unamed source in a news story that was supposedly CIA.
When asked to confirm it officially the CIA didn't.
I haven't seen any official statement by the CIA saying otherwise.
Does Russia hack stuff? Of course. Does China hack stuff? Of course. So does the US and any other country that want to be relevant on the international stage.
Where has there been any proof or even an official claim of proof that Russia hacked our election and altered votes or cast illegal votes? It doesn't exist.
Where do you get your news dude? Breitbart? Drudge? FAUX News?
I suggest you read first, type second.
Another fact for you to digest: You reveal your sources when you reveal your "proof". That's how the game is played.
They got caught meddling in our elections, and got smacked for it. I guess they expected US to just bend over and take it, like Trump would have (and clearly you would have), but that didn't happen. They can say whatever they want to save face. Who cares.
It's about time we started pushing back at the Russian thugs, Obama should have taken this attitude from day 1. How much you want to bet that Russian expands their territory during Trump's reign? These two are going to have a field day exchanging favors and rearranging geopolitics.
This is unbelievable thinking. How can you see putin as the good guy after he attacked America by trying to influence our elections? Just going to overlook that?
Would you call a mass murderer a good guy because they once helped an old lady across the street?
Are you forgetting that putin actually DID something to deserve the sanctions???
Who the hell cares HOW he reacts.
Dear Fox Terrier, first you have to learn reading and understanding other member's posts.The comment was "he came across as the good guy". You state that Putin attacked America by trying to influence the elections. There is no proof of that. Even if, how many Americans do you think could have been influenced and persuaded to vote for Trump?
So Putin is a mass murderer, according to whom? It is quite obvious that you believe anything published by the American propaganda machine, aka mass media. The other source of your information is who? What if any proof is there that Putin did anything to deserve sanctions against Russia.
You may not care how he reacts, but I can assure you politicians from other countries see a totally different picture. An experienced international politician calmly refusing to react to an inexperienced young man who is trying to rock the boat on his way back to organizing local communities.
Obama is now like a little yapping poodle. Yapping accomplishes nothing and everyone can't wait for it to stop.
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if I side with any other country but my own 
- that's just not happening 
Wtf is wrong w/ you, comrade?
-- People think spy vs spy is only in the movies. How wrong they are---anyhow- in maybe a month- more will be exposed to the public- Happy New Years
