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I hear this argument a lot but it doesn't seem to be based by any facts or reality .
How do we know illegals are causing LESS crime than legal citizens if these sanctuary cities aren't even keeping track of who is illegal or legal when they catch a criminal ?
Also is this just a case of liberals lumping together illegal immigrants with legal ones ?
They claim that because the authorities will not ask for documentation, illegals will be more willing to report crimes and/or cooperate with an investigation.
Might very well be true, but as you say if they don't know the status of these individuals then it is a falsehood to claim the illegals have been more cooperative.
They really don't know do they?
Actively hunting illegals down isn't a great idea, but if one commits a crime and is found to be undocumented they should be deported. Period.
one of the problem is if an illegal gets murdered-robbed- etc- or their child raped or abducted etc. what recourses are there? many of the kids already born here- so no protection for them?
one of the problem is if an illegal gets murdered-robbed- etc- or their child raped or abducted etc. what recourses are there? many of the kids already born here- so no protection for them?
Shouldn't be a priority at all. ONLY those who are arrested should be checked. Reporting a crime should not be a reason for checking residency status.
I hear this argument a lot but it doesn't seem to be based by any facts or reality .
How do we know illegals are causing LESS crime than legal citizens if these sanctuary cities aren't even keeping track of who is illegal or legal when they catch a criminal ?
Also is this just a case of liberals lumping together illegal immigrants with legal ones ?
Duh! It's safer for the ILLEGAL. For you, not so much.
I hear this argument a lot but it doesn't seem to be based by any facts or reality .
How do we know illegals are causing LESS crime than legal citizens if these sanctuary cities aren't even keeping track of who is illegal or legal when they catch a criminal ?
Also is this just a case of liberals lumping together illegal immigrants with legal ones ?
It's safer than the alternative - removing the sanctuary policy.
It's not me who said this, it's the boots on the ground (i.e law enforcement) who are saying it.
I hear this argument a lot but it doesn't seem to be based by any facts or reality .
How do we know illegals are causing LESS crime than legal citizens if these sanctuary cities aren't even keeping track of who is illegal or legal when they catch a criminal ?
Also is this just a case of liberals lumping together illegal immigrants with legal ones ?
Let's start with who is making this argument and why. You don't say...
Anyone can make any argument without facts or data just as you seem to be using the same argument to make a counter argument just as lacking of substantiation. So far not one comment in this thread seems to be relying or referring to any data regarding this subject whatsoever.
What we do know is that there are an estimated 11 million illegal immigrants in America today. Of these, despite what Trump may want you to believe, there are an estimated 820,000 with criminal convictions. Focus only on those convicted of serious crimes (not marijuana for example), and you do the math...
"The exact number of illegally present non-citizens within that 1.9 million figure is not clear. Calculations by the Migration Policy Institute, a think tank that doesn’t take positions on immigration legislation, show about 820,000 (43 percent) of the 1.9 million are unauthorized immigrants with criminal convictions."
Assume whatever percentage you wish that live in Sanctuary Cities, and I don't know how anyone can come up with any math that suggests these crime rates caused by illegal immigrants is anywhere near what Trump and his supporters want everyone to believe.
The same way they can claim they are the "party of science", yet believe that a fetus is a "clump of cell, you know...like a tumor." or that "mankind is causing global warming and melting the earth or that 'climate science' is settled."
The same way they can say that "men can have uteruses and there is no danger to women or young girls if you legislated that men who state that they identify as female can have unfettered access to public restrooms and dressing areas designated for women/girls"
The same way they blame inanimate objects (guns) for the actions of those who commit crimes. The same way the they believe that a religion that beheads anyone who refuses to convert or hangs gays and stones rape victims to death is no different than another religion that defers when asked to bake a cake or create flower arrangements for gay weddings.
The basic formula is to look at the issue, imagine with the exact opposite of common sense would have you believe and then you can understand how liberals can say what they say on just about any issue.
I hear this argument a lot but it doesn't seem to be based by any facts or reality .
How do we know illegals are causing LESS crime than legal citizens if these sanctuary cities aren't even keeping track of who is illegal or legal when they catch a criminal ?
Also is this just a case of liberals lumping together illegal immigrants with legal ones ?
THIS IS CITY DATA.
You literally can find all the data you need to prove or disprove the notion....
are they safer? Well identify the cities check their crime rates and see how they compare to other dem NON sanctuary cities....
The same way they can claim they are the "party of science", yet believe that a fetus is a "clump of cell, you know...like a tumor." or that "mankind is causing global warming and melting the earth or that 'climate science' is settled."
The same way they can say that "men can have uteruses and there is no danger to women or young girls if you legislated that men who state that they identify as female can have unfettered access to public restrooms and dressing areas designated for women/girls"
The same way they blame inanimate objects (guns) for the actions of those who commit crimes. The same way the they believe that a religion that beheads anyone who refuses to convert or hangs gays and stones rape victims to death is no different than another religion that defers when asked to bake a cake or create flower arrangements for gay weddings.
The basic formula is to look at the issue, imagine with the exact opposite of common sense would have you believe and then you can understand how liberals can say what they say on just about any issue.
If this comment is supposed to represent even a basic understanding or our differences or common sense, then no doubt anyone can claim anything, and some are surely more inclined to do so with wild abandon as compared to others. In the name of reason and logic, please have mercy...
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