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Originally Posted by InformedConsent
Yes, it is anti-Semitic. Think back to WHY the Nation State of Israel was created.
So, again, answer the questions... WHY would Obama side with anti-Semitic countries? HOW is a US President promoting anti-Semitism good for the US?
I can't possibly answer your inane question since you refuse to accept there's a difference between a religion and a nation. Anyone with a lick of common sense knows at worst Obama's inaction was political payback for Netanyahu's lame attempt at an end run around Obama by addressing Congress. If Bibi's not smart enough to realize actions have consequences, it's about time he learns.
I don't believe it's possible to understand the rest of the post without understanding the highlighted sentence.
well, it is not my problem if you read too much into it
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Antisemitism is not the hatred of Judaism nor is it hatred of people who practice the Judaism. Antisemitism is the hatred of Jews as a people. It can also be the sincere belief that the Jews are not a people and thus do not deserve a state.
MEANING, in my opinion (should have added this )
The definition of anti-semitism is the hatred of Jews as a people. It can also be the sincere belief that the Jews are not a people and thus do not deserve a state. Example, The Nazis believe judaism is a RACE, not a religious practice.
the Nazi's categorized the Jews as a race, and persecuted them on this basis, not the on the basis of religion. This effect of causing people who didn't follow the Jewish faith to identify as Jewish since they were being persecuted for being Jewish. It's an example of how race is a social construct, and I think this is a large part of why you now have "atheist Jews."
I can't possibly answer your inane question since you refuse to accept there's a difference between a religion and a nation. Anyone with a lick of common sense knows at worst Obama's inaction was political payback for Netanyahu's lame attempt at an end run around Obama by addressing Congress. If Bibi's not smart enough to realize actions have consequences, it's about time he learns.
Obama would engage in "political payback"? I thought he was smarter than that.
Dangerous thing to do, to take revenge that way. It emboldens other nations to do the same.
Not good, unless the intent is to encourage and embolden that way...
Regarding your other statement...WHAT is the difference between the nation (race) and the religion in Israel's case since they are both.
well, it is not my problem if you read too much into it
I posted
Antisemitism is not the hatred of Judaism nor is it hatred of people who practice the Judaism. Antisemitism is the hatred of Jews as a people. It can also be the sincere belief that the Jews are not a people and thus do not deserve a state.
MEANING, in my opinion (should have added this )
The definition of anti-semitism is the hatred of Jews as a people. It can also be the sincere belief that the Jews are not a people and thus do not deserve a state. Example, The Nazis believe Jew is a RACE, not a religious practice.
So many contrived excuses for their hatred of Jews.
Regardless of belief, they are a people. And they are a race. And they deserve a country of their own.
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You have to know actual history to understand WHY the Nation State of Israel was created. Given historical facts, answer the following questions:
WHY would Obama side with anti-Semitic countries? HOW is a US President promoting anti-Semitism good for the US?
Once again, very simply, disagreeing with the actions of a nation IS NOT the same as hatred of the practitioners of a particular religion and has NOTHING to do with why a nation was founded. IF they're one and the same as you allege, WHY do 100% of Israeli Jews NOT support Netanyahu's actions?
WHY do 100% of Israeli Jews NOT support Netanyahu's actions?
Not all anti-Zionists are anti-Semites.
However the line is in many cases very thin. Many Arab countries make little distinction (e.g. the Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion is required reading in many school programs). Also for those seeking a convenient cover for their anti-Semitic views where better to hide then amongst the so-called ‘progressive’ anti-Zionists.
I support both Israel and Palestine, but I don't believe Netanyahu has done anything wrong. Historically speaking, Jews were simply different from the majority of people and they had no country on their own. It was therefore easy to accuse them of treachery, disloyalty and blaming them for everything.
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Obama would engage in "political payback"? I thought he was smarter than that.
Dangerous thing to do, to take revenge that way. It emboldens other nations to do the same.
Not good, unless the intent is to encourage and embolden that way...
And Netanyahu attempting to sabotage the Iran deal Obama believed best for the US was WHAT? WHY are you so in favor of Israel's needs taking precedence over those of the US?
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Originally Posted by southward bound
Regarding your other statement...WHAT is the difference between the nation (race) and the religion in Israel's case since they are both.
Really, I would like to hear.
I don't believe Israeli is a race any more than American is a race. Both countries have citizens of varied backgrounds. Nor do I believe Jewish, Christian, Buddhist, Muslim, et al is a race, all have practitioners of various ethnic, national backgrounds.
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