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Old 02-26-2017, 01:51 PM
 
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- The mission was planned under Obama, Trump carried it out due to the recommendation by the Pentagon to carry it out because of the Moon.

- All missions have risks, there are guns involved and people trying to kill each other. I find it hard to believe people expect no casualties each and every time.

- If the mission is compromised, it is ultimately up to the on-scene OIC to call it off, they are the ones in charge at that time.

- We have had boots on the ground for years in Yemen. Just like we had boots on the ground for years in Syria until finally the US gov admitted it.

- This is not Trump's nor Obama's fault, the president merely gives authorization based on the information provided by the military.
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Old 02-26-2017, 02:12 PM
 
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- The mission was planned under Obama, Trump carried it out due to the recommendation by the Pentagon to carry it out because of the Moon.

- All missions have risks, there are guns involved and people trying to kill each other. I find it hard to believe people expect no casualties each and every time.

- If the mission is compromised, it is ultimately up to the on-scene OIC to call it off, they are the ones in charge at that time.

- We have had boots on the ground for years in Yemen. Just like we had boots on the ground for years in Syria until finally the US gov admitted it.

- This is not Trump's nor Obama's fault, the president merely gives authorization based on the information provided by the military.
Presidents aren't responsible for what they authorize?
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Old 02-26-2017, 02:20 PM
 
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When did bailing out of failed businesses become a corner stone of Capitalism?
When it helps prevent a huge economic meltdown. As hard to swallow as TARP was to conservatives, the alternative would have probably been worse.
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Old 02-26-2017, 02:22 PM
 
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Presidents aren't responsible for what they authorize?
They are, the buck stops with them. However, the "blame" on how to prevent something like this in the future is misplaced. It would be like blaming Obama for the hospital mishap or the helicopter crew up during the Bin Laden raid.

When they go through the "lessons learned" on the Yemen mission, I assure you that Trump's authorization will not come up. Trump's role, as would have been Hillary's or Obama's, was merely permission to carry out, based on the information provided by the Pentagon.
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Old 02-26-2017, 02:23 PM
 
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One thing for sure you will NEVER SEE a rich persons child dying for the USA.The rich have 99% of the countries children dying for them.
Sounds like the knack that the fortunate sons had of getting accepted in the National Guard during Nam.

Thirty seconds over Austin.
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Old 02-26-2017, 02:23 PM
 
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- The mission was planned under Obama,
- planned under Obama but rejected by Obama
- planned months before but ground situations change. If you go with the "Obama's plan" excuse then you admit that the plan, based on months old intel, was not revised or updated. The SEALS walked into a much more heavily defended target than they expected
- Trump shouldn't be giving okie-dokies to military operations between courses
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Old 02-26-2017, 02:23 PM
 
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Ironically it will be the children of trumpholes who come home in flag-draped caskets after he gets us into a war with his big fat mouth (or little bitty fingers when he tweets his lies and insults).
Because no one in the military was ever killed under any other administration?
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Old 02-26-2017, 02:26 PM
 
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When it helps prevent a huge economic meltdown. As hard to swallow as TARP was to conservatives, the alternative would have probably been worse.
Right....You love Socialist wealth distribution schemes when they benefit you.
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Old 02-26-2017, 02:26 PM
 
Location: Central Mexico and Central Florida
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Because no one in the military was ever killed under any other administration?
Because our current Idiot in Chief is a dufus; he is UNQUALIFIED for his job. 60% in latest NBC poll says he doesn't understand enough to be in his job.
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Old 02-26-2017, 02:28 PM
 
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They are, the buck stops with them. However, the "blame" on how to prevent something like this in the future is misplaced. It would be like blaming Obama for the hospital mishap or the helicopter crew up during the Bin Laden raid.
I blame him for both as we had no business participating and he could have saw to it that we didn't.

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When they go through the "lessons learned" on the Yemen mission, I assure you that Trump's authorization will not come up. Trump's role, as would have been Hillary's or Obama's, was merely permission to carry out, based on the information provided by the Pentagon.
No, his responsibility and blame is in us being there at all.
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