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Obama rejected the plan. Trump approved the outdated & months old plan. This is on Trump.
Firstly Obama did not reject the plan, he did not approve it because the operation date was under Trump.
Secondly these plans do not simply show up on the President's desk, if it was outdated, poor plan or whatever it never should of been presented by the military in the first place. Are you under the naive impression that any President is sitting in the oval office playing general? .
The final decision may be theirs but they rely on the military and intelligence. For example Obama was presented with a 50/50 chance it was Bin Laden with some analysts even giving it less of chance. Credit where credit is due because he had to have balls of steel to sign off on that but it was an enormous risk based on the intelligence.
Obama rejected the plan. Trump approved the outdated & months old plan. This is on Trump.
What next? Attack North Korea and blame any failure on Truman's plan?
So, I'm curious, what was outdated about it? The training and tactics of the American special ops, the collective IQ of the military brass that drew up the plans of the raid, or the intelligence information?
I'd like to know from a nation of paper tigers. The women of Sparta to their sons: "With your shield or on it."
Seems to be the fallen Navy SEAL had performed his duty and returned on his shield. Or do Americans believe in Hollywood images in which Navy SEALs are invincible and none of them ever die?
Maybe next time you can draw up a plan for a military raid to be carried out by special ops? As apparently the fog of war and friction are myths to you.
If this happened had happened under Clinton, Trump supporters would be screaming for an investigation, yet because it's Trump they want to shrug it off and move on. My deepest condolences to the Owens family.
Lol, I am not a Trump supporter, but you and others obviously have not a clue about how military operations work. I actually see some of the posters on here placing the blame on Trump outright lying or being disingenuous.
There is so many things to hammer Trump on, but this is one area that is not on him.
Firstly Obama did not reject the plan, he did not approve it because the operation date was under Trump.
Secondly these plans do not simply show up on the President's desk, if it was outdated, poor plan or whatever it never should of been presented by the military in the first place. Are you under the naive impression that any President is sitting in the oval office playing general? .
The final decision may be theirs but they rely on the military and intelligence. For example Obama was presented with a 50/50 chance it was Bin Laden with some analysts even giving it less of chance. Credit where credit is due because he had to have balls of steel to sign off on that but it was an enormous risk based on the intelligence.
Agree with you mostly but the timing of the raid seems rather strange only one week into Trumps admin and he claimed it wa a great success even though children and other civilians were killed. How did he know it was a success, a soldier was killed and they destroyed a $75M aircraft. These missions are complicated as was the 2014 mission which resulted in 2 hostages killed but what's the rush? McCain and others stated that everything that could go wrong did go wrong, it would be nice to see some honesty on Trumps part rather than the usual bluster. It will be investigated. Trump has no credibility, why would anyone believe him.
The timing of the raid was based on the full moon hence the reason it could not be carried out under Obama's leadership. This was an intelligence raid, for all anyone knows they stopped the next 9/11 attack. We the public simply don't know and any speculation about it's success or failure is just that, speculation. What we do know is the military and intelligence determined this was a good target worth the risks and I'm more than willing to give them the benefit of the doubt.
On the one hand he wants answers but he doesn't want to meet the president.
Makes perfect sense. A man who is both grieving and angered will have his emotions roiling. To have a chickenhawk stand before him and try to explain the pointless reason that his son died, and then merrily stroll off to play a round of golf would probably make him want to take a poke at him. For that reason alone I could understand that he would not want to see him.
At the same time, it is highly likely that when he is not burying his son, he would like to have official answers about exactly how and why his son died. That information should be delivered by his son's commander who should know all the how's and why's - as opposed to a politician who could only tell him the details he was told - and memorized. And yes, there is the great potential that the biggest liar on the planet - would just lie to him.
Wanting to know and not wanting to talk to Trump makes perfect sense.
The timing of the raid was based on the full moon hence the reason it could not be carried out under Obama's leadership. This was an intelligence raid, for all anyone knows they stopped the next 9/11 attack. We the public simply don't know and any speculation about it's success or failure is just that, speculation. What we do know is the military and intelligence determined this was a good target worth the risks and I'm more than willing to give them the benefit of the doubt.
No raid that results in the deaths of innocent civilians, loss of soldiers and loss of a 75M aircraft can be immediately deemed a huge success one day later. Maybe they waited for the next full moon.
his dad is a Democrat and wants to blame Trump for this? (political).........I didn't recall Khan blaming W Bush for his son's death in Iraq, he actually was mad at Trump.
I wouldn't be surprise if the Democrats put this father in the Democrat National convention in 2020 and give him a prime time spot to bash Trump.
his son was a Navy Seal. This is what you are trained for, for missions like this. If you don't like danger then don't sign up for the Navy Seals or any Special Unit in the Armed Forces, you have a high change to get kill. Most of the missions are behind enemy lines.
Makes perfect sense. A man who is both grieving and angered will have his emotions roiling. To have a chickenhawk stand before him and try to explain the pointless reason that his son died, and then merrily stroll off to play a round of golf would probably make him want to take a poke at him. For that reason alone I could understand that he would not want to see him.
At the same time, it is highly likely that when he is not burying his son, he would like to have official answers about exactly how and why his son died. That information should be delivered by his son's commander who should know all the how's and why's - as opposed to a politician who could only tell him the details he was told - and memorized. And yes, there is the great potential that the biggest liar on the planet - would just lie to him.
Wanting to know and not wanting to talk to Trump makes perfect sense.
did Obama served? did Hillary served? did Bubba Clinton served? are they Chicken hawks too?.....how many military deaths under their orders and policies caused?
but of course this is one more excuse to bash Trump.
if his father doesn't want to talk to Trump that's fine but his son joined the most elite unit (or one of ) in the armed forces and most of their missions are behind enemy lines gathering INTEL. That's their job....his son knew that when he volunteer to sign up, when he was training and when he graduated a Seal and kept doing missions to stay qualified. He signed a contract and most of their missions and reasons are classified so his dad can't be demanding details of the mission or missions and why?
Trump playing golf has nothing to do with it because all Presidents play golf including Bubba and Barry.
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