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Old 02-28-2017, 09:23 AM
 
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You think limiting immigration will help. Millions of service sector jobs currently worked by our own citizens are going to be automated very soon.

Even if you reduce immigration to 0 and close our borders. Then what, we still have millions unemployed who are unskilled workers. This is a worldwide problem, not just ours.

Your short term thinking always blows my mind. It's not an effective solution.
Ok, so your answer is to continue importing millions of people to compete for the smaller amount of jobs we will have?

"Our credit card bills are out of control, lets go shopping."
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Old 02-28-2017, 09:24 AM
 
Location: Gilbert, Arizona
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Taxpayers will never agree with paying people just for being there. Recipients will be put on busses and sent to a work farm to earn their worth.
We're not going to have an option much longer. Get used to it.

Go to "liberal" universities and study to get some useful skills or be unemployed. The free market is lovely ain't it?
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Old 02-28-2017, 09:27 AM
 
Location: Gilbert, Arizona
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Ok, so your answer is to continue importing millions of people to compete for the smaller amount of jobs we will have?

"Our credit card bills are out of control, lets go shopping."
My answer is how about we innovate and create jobs and educate our people to do those jobs?
Take national initiatives: space program, medical research, infrastructure work, etc...

Other countries will be experiencing the same exact problem and your solution is to not innovate but to just close our borders? Isn't that's what capitalism is all about raved by conservatives? Innovation?
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Old 02-28-2017, 09:31 AM
 
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The reality is that low wage jobs have a pay ceiling. When bumped against, automation becomes a viable and preferred alternative for reasons of productivity
McDonald's in my fair home country pays their workers about $20/hr, yet haven't found any reason to go crazy with automation. Oh, and the Big Macs aren't that much more expensive, either.
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Old 02-28-2017, 09:32 AM
 
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My answer is how about we innovate and create jobs and educate our people to do those jobs?
Take national initiatives: space program, medical research, infrastructure work, etc...

Other countries will be experiencing the same exact problem and your solution is to not innovate but to just close our borders? Isn't that's what capitalism is all about raved by conservatives? Innovation?
To keep from sidetracking this thread too much, i answers here:

//www.city-data.com/forum/polit...migration.html
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Old 02-28-2017, 09:34 AM
 
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Eliminate food stamps and other support and people will be scooping up multiple minimum wage jobs or starve.
Or revolt.
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Old 02-28-2017, 09:35 AM
 
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Anther case of Lib wisdom that has negatively affect food workers! So much for 15$ a hour!
Your pearls of wisdom have so much more to offer than those of the "lib" kind. But back to the story, not all fifteen dollar an hour jobs will be in fast foods or so easily rendered to automation, I know that doesn't fit your usual narrative but then again, filtering news through the extremely biased mindset has it's disadvantages..
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Old 02-28-2017, 10:13 AM
 
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How many times do we have to debunk this? This has nothing to do with the minimum wage there's already places that serve food that have touch screen order kiosks. Actually I prefer them anyway the order accuracy is higher at the places with these kiosks.

Also since more low skilled jobs are going to be done away with you might want to ask why the Democrats and certain mayors and governors think we need more illegal immigrants.
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Old 02-28-2017, 10:19 AM
 
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Minimum wage or not, kiosks are coming.
Yep. Kiosks are becoming more common everywhere.

There are kiosks to make keys. There are kiosks to rent videos. Although videos are already becoming obsolete and keys are heading in that direction also.

Ikea has in-store kiosks for people to signup to their shopper discount plan. The kiosk prints a plastic member card.

My library has a kiosk for book checkout. Some airlines have kiosks at the airport for flight check-in.
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Old 02-28-2017, 10:43 AM
 
Location: East Side, Indianapolis
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Automation will take more jobs away from working class Americans than all the immigrants the world could throw at us. Automation will take jobs away from white collar workers in STEM fields as well. Very few of us working today are safe from automation and robots. It's coming, and it won't be stopped.


UBI will be a necessity in order to preserve a functioning society. The automators and the technocrat class will be heavily taxed, and they will gladly pay it as a part of a larger social contract. If they refuse to pay a sufficient price as part of that social contract, there are only two options: mass, forced extinction of the less productive portions of human society, or endless bloody revolt. What conservatives fail to realize when railing against social safety nets, UBI, ect, is that if you start starving people, they will simply take what they want and need by force. And those who are starving will soon (if they don't already) outnumber those who aren't, and those who are in place to protect them. There will be nowhere safe, nowhere to hide. Either you pay up, or get strung up.


Retraining current workers is already becoming a pipe dream. There are differing limits to human intelligence. Not everyone can be retrained into a worker who's in the top 5% of STEM fields (the few who can't be automated away). Pulling oneself up by bootstraps will not be possible, as there will be no bootstraps.


In other words, buckle up. It's going to be a bumpy ride, and we're just getting started down this path.
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