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To President Lincoln Preserving the union was First. Even though he was firmly against the institution of slavery.
It the Emancipation Proclamation that set forward the Abolishment of Slavery and there fore was the secondary cause of the CW.
The Emancipation Proclamation was a presidential proclamation and executive order issued by President Abraham Lincoln on January 1, 1863. It changed the federal legal status of more than 3 million enslaved people in the designated areas of the South from slave to free. As soon as a slave escaped the control of the Confederate government, by running away or through advances of federal troops, the slave became legally free. Eventually it reached and liberated all of the designated slaves. It did not cover slaves in Union areas that were freed by state action (or by the 13th amendment in December, 1865). It was issued as a war measure during the American Civil War, directed to all of the areas in rebellion and all segments of the executive branch (including the Army and Navy) of the United States.[SIZE=2][2][/SIZE]
If the historical figures were traitors, I'd be fine with moving their statues to museums. They don't belong in the public square.
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Originally Posted by DCforever
As they should be. Not all of our heroes were heroic.
Here is the point you two seem to be missing. If in the future they look back through a modern lens, heroes of today might be looked upon as evil, traitors, etc.
Hypothetically, lets just say that in the future it is considered wrong to think all people and/or races should be treated the same. Lets say through genetics they determine that yellow people are superior, and anyone promoting equality among the races should be silenced, since it is inaccurate. Thus someone like MLK could be looked at with derision/disdain, and there could be a demand to remove his statue.
Or fornicators were the reason our society almost came to an end, thus anyone who was a known fornicator/adulterer must have their statue taken down. Thus JFK's statues are removed, or his name stricken from schools, airports, etc.
From our perspective that might be unthinkable, but we will have no clue what future generations will be like. So wouldn't you object to status and history being erased just to appease the sensibilities of those future people who object to the heroes of our time?
Here is the point you two seem to be missing. If in the future they look back through a modern lens, heroes of today might be looked upon as evil, traitors, etc.
Hypothetically, lets just say that in the future it is considered wrong to think all people and/or races should be treated the same. Lets say through genetics they determine that yellow people are superior, and anyone promoting equality among the races should be silenced, since it is inaccurate. Thus someone like MLK could be looked at with derision/disdain, and there could be a demand to remove his statue.
Or fornicators were the reason our society almost came to an end, thus anyone who was a known fornicator/adulterer must have their statue taken down. Thus JFK's statues are removed, or his name stricken from schools, airports, etc.
From our perspective that might be unthinkable, but we will have no clue what future generations will be like. So wouldn't you object to status and history being erased just to appease the sensibilities of those future people who object to the heroes of our time?
Both the North and south thought their cause was true. We should always remember the CW good and bad , like most wars are.
Bottom Like 625K Americans died in this conflict.
Nor does it absolve the White Northerner or the free blacks who operated their plantations using slaves as their laborers. Nor does it absolve the government that profited from the property taxes ... People are bstards to one another, what more needs to be said?
What statues of these people do you think should come down.
BTW the federal government doesn't tax your real estate, so any property taxes Southern states were paying were to their own organization. OPPs
Here is the point you two seem to be missing. If in the future they look back through a modern lens, heroes of today might be looked upon as evil, traitors, etc.
Hypothetically, lets just say that in the future it is considered wrong to think all people and/or races should be treated the same. Lets say through genetics they determine that yellow people are superior, and anyone promoting equality among the races should be silenced, since it is inaccurate. Thus someone like MLK could be looked at with derision/disdain, and there could be a demand to remove his statue.
Or fornicators were the reason our society almost came to an end, thus anyone who was a known fornicator/adulterer must have their statue taken down. Thus JFK's statues are removed, or his name stricken from schools, airports, etc.
From our perspective that might be unthinkable, but we will have no clue what future generations will be like. So wouldn't you object to status and history being erased just to appease the sensibilities of those future people who object to the heroes of our time?
Slavery was widely consider a morally bankrupt system well before the civil war. Northern states had eliminated slavery.
Both the North and south thought their cause was true. We should always remember the CW good and bad , like most wars are.
Bottom Like 625K Americans died in this conflict.
Yes, both thought their cause was true. However, in this cause, the South was wrong, period. History isn't on the South's side. Period.
Here is the point you two seem to be missing. If in the future they look back through a modern lens, heroes of today might be looked upon as evil, traitors, etc.
Hypothetically, lets just say that in the future it is considered wrong to think all people and/or races should be treated the same. Lets say through genetics they determine that yellow people are superior, and anyone promoting equality among the races should be silenced, since it is inaccurate. Thus someone like MLK could be looked at with derision/disdain, and there could be a demand to remove his statue.
Or fornicators were the reason our society almost came to an end, thus anyone who was a known fornicator/adulterer must have their statue taken down. Thus JFK's statues are removed, or his name stricken from schools, airports, etc.
From our perspective that might be unthinkable, but we will have no clue what future generations will be like. So wouldn't you object to status and history being erased just to appease the sensibilities of those future people who object to the heroes of our time?
History is not being erased. Take a deep breath.
Lee, etc. were not heroes who've succumbed to evolving sensibilities. They were traitors back then as well.
Hundreds of thousands died or were maimed. Who knows how far it set the nation back?
Long past time to quit celebrating and honoring these traitors.
Slavery was widely consider a morally bankrupt system well before the civil war. Northern states had eliminated slavery.
Abolition had far stronger sentiment in the North than the South. That is the bottom line. The South was going to go to the death before letting go of the institution of slavery. It was not just an economic institution. It was social. While a majority of Southerners didn't own slaves, slavery pretty much shaped the South going into the Civil War. It was a status symbol to own slaves. Many who were too poor to own slaves likely hoped to own slaves. And then something else. We all know that the majority of Blacks in the South were slaves. And most of the "black slave owners" were likely the Creoles and mixed race people in Louisiana. Less than one percent of the Black population were slave owners. There is something that needs to be considered. Blacks were essentially looked down on. Many argued that if Black slaves were freed, they would cause problems for the South.
Many in the South saw slavery as something necessary to uphold the economy and the social order. That is the way of life the South was trying to defend. It was morally bankrupt back then. However, there were many delusional people living back then.
Abolition had far stronger sentiment in the North than the South. That is the bottom line. The South was going to go to the death before letting go of the institution of slavery. It was not just an economic institution. It was social. While a majority of Southerners didn't own slaves, slavery pretty much shaped the South going into the Civil War. It was a status symbol to own slaves. Many who were too poor to own slaves likely hoped to own slaves. And then something else. We all know that the majority of Blacks in the South were slaves. And most of the "black slave owners" were likely the Creoles and mixed race people in Louisiana. Less than one percent of the Black population were slave owners. There is something that needs to be considered. Blacks were essentially looked down on. Many argued that if Black slaves were freed, they would cause problems for the South.
Many in the South saw slavery as something necessary to uphold the economy and the social order. That is the way of life the South was trying to defend. It was morally bankrupt back then. However, there were many delusional people living back then.
While few people owned slaves, the economy was based upon slave labor and many perhaps most people had jobs tied to slave based labor. The cotton broker might not have owned slaves, but his livelihood depended upon them.
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