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Democrats who believe in a robust redistribution of wealth and government control of some of the means of production--like the health care system.
The best argument against Sanders' health plan is the essential case against socialism--redistributionism: it reduces incentives, which leads to poverty. Why would I work hard if it's all going to be paid for by some other sucker?
Most developed countries have more people working than in America. America has a low share of its population in employment.
Not a single developed country has a free market health care system that works. None. Only third world hellholes plus America have no single payer health care system.
I was not born wealthy and I busted my ass to build that. So you can take that part of your argument and put it where the sun don't shine.
Some kids don't take HS serious and we want to keep paying for more of it? What a waste.
That in no way disproves my argument. You had to work hard, probably harder than someone born wealthy. That was my point. I'm not saying class mobility is an impossibility, I am saying that being born wealthy is usually a good way to stay wealthy.
OK, completely irrelevant. Do you believe like BobNJ1960 that America under Trump is a socialist nation because Trump hasnt advocated getting rid of the government owned US Postal Service?
Democrats who believe in a robust redistribution of wealth and government control of some of the means of production--like the health care system.
Well because it should be obvious by now that if you want to cover a lot of people then the private sector isn't equipped to do that. You don't hear a lot of senior conservatives railing against that socialist medicare which pays out an average of 2.5 times what you put in.
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The best argument against Sanders' health plan is the essential case against socialism--redistributionism: it reduces incentives, which leads to poverty. Why would I work hard if it's all going to be paid for by some other sucker?
I never understood that type of argument.... like the vast majority folks would just settle for the basics...
Spreading the costs of healthcare out doesn't seem like it would cause more poverty.... seems like it would cause the opposite to where those most vulnerable wouldn't be knocked over by an unforeseen health crisis.
The Democrats can't stand Sanders because he keeps calling them out.
If the Democrats really accepted Sanders they'd be a force to reckon with. The Right knows this, so they're trying to join the 2 together (in a negative way) in hopes the Dems will push him further away and continue to be the corporate sell outs that they are. I recently saw Rick Santorum try to say the Dems are the party of Sanders. Couldn't be further from the truth at the moment.
Bernie Sanders is cut from the same cloth as Kennedy, Truman, FDR, and LBJ.
That in no way disproves my argument. You had to work hard, probably harder than someone born wealthy. That was my point. I'm not saying class mobility is an impossibility, I am saying that being born wealthy is usually a good way to stay wealthy.
But you ignore the process of building of wealth. The rich already have their money. While those of us who are busting our asses and trying to build wealth to live on in our elderly years are screwed.
Did you ever take a moment to think about why it's so hard for the every day American to build wealth. It's because people who are on their way are constantly taken to the cleaners to fund redistributionist. The rich don't depend on income to build wealth, they already have their money. So you can tax income to whatever, the rich get around it, while every day people get screwed.
The fact that you don't understand this basic concept says a lot.
Yea we tried this deregulation, race to the bottom nonsense under Bush Jr for 8 years and it didn't work out too well for the American workers. But.... maybe this time will be different for some reason.
I don't think Trump told the rust belt that manufacturing is now in the South.
Well because it should be obvious by now that if you want to cover a lot of people then the private sector isn't equipped to do that. You don't hear a lot of senior conservatives railing against that socialist medicare which pays out an average of 2.5 times what you put in.
I never understood that type of argument.... like the vast majority folks would just settle for the basics...
Spreading the costs of healthcare out doesn't seem like it would cause more poverty.... seems like it would cause the opposite to where those most vulnerable wouldn't be knocked over by an unforeseen health crisis.
LOL, I look forward to it. If you can't beat them join them.
In the mean time, instead of reinvesting in my company which would have led to hiring more people, I've opted for cruise mode. Why would I risk my money only to have redistributionist take it. Thats a simplified version of course but you get the idea. Do you think I'm the only one who is saying this?
There's that little thing called incentive and Democrats have taken the drive away for many.
The difference is I and other Democrats aren't advocating for government ownership of all businesses. THAT is socialism. I am in support of capitalism, but with redistribution, because laissez-faire capitalism is horrible at allocateng resources, it gives a few more than they'll ever need while starving the vast majority.
If you insist upon "redistribution", you are no less a thief than a thug in a dark alley.
The societal "safety net" has never been stronger, and the portion which is supported by the enormous cash reserves of the philanthropic sector will continue to grow. But that sector is policed to deliberately exclude the small-but-growing portion of the idlers who feel that the gritty jobs to which their ignorance and negative attitudes have limited them simply aren't good enough.
It's well past time to identify, exclude, and tighten the clamps on these individuals -- and their apologists and allies.
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