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Old 03-17-2017, 04:41 PM
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Location: Middle Tennessee
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Your post are in the running for the most obsessive dead horse beating theme of the year.

Whack, Whack Whack...but it is dead and not going to get up.

And even after the whole thing has totally lost any relevance.

But whack whack whack...Be funny if not so sad.
Apparently some people have way too much time on their hands. Or maybe they are in training in hope that dead horse beating will be added to the next Olympics.
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Old 03-17-2017, 04:41 PM
 
Location: In The Thin Air
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You didn't comprehend anything I posted. Explain why subsection (b) of the US Nationality Law is still included and still applies to those born in the US to this day.
I did comprehend it. I don't think you comprehended what you copied and pasted.

The following shall be nationals and citizens of the United States at birth:

(a) a person born in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof;

(b) a person born in the United States to a member of an Indian, Eskimo, Aleutian, or other aboriginal tribe: Provided, That the granting of citizenship under this subsection shall not in any manner impair or otherwise affect the right of such person to tribal or other property;



What about these two conditions does Obama not meet? I am sure your response will be entertaining if not delusional.

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Old 03-17-2017, 04:45 PM
 
Location: Texas
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Obama acquired foreign citizenship at birth. Fly in the ointment.

According to US Nationality Law, only those born in the US and subject to the jurisdiction thereof are US Citizens. The only exception to that requirement is US-born members of US Native American Tribes. They're currently legally the only people who can acquire a foreign citizenship at birth and still be simultaneously considered a US Citizen at birth.

Here's how we know...

Read US Nationality Law, specifically subsections (a) and (b). If everyone born in the US were actually automatically US citizens, regardless of the circumstances of their birth, subsection (b) would be redundant and would be neither included nor necessary:

The following shall be nationals and citizens of the United States at birth:

(a) a person born in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof;

(b) a person born in the United States to a member of an Indian, Eskimo, Aleutian, or other aboriginal tribe: Provided, That the granting of citizenship under this subsection shall not in any manner impair or otherwise affect the right of such person to tribal or other property;

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/8/1401

And note how "and subject to the jurisdiction thereof" is omitted in subsection (b). Why? Because as citizens of their respective Indian Nations, they're subject to the those Nation's jurisdiction and do not meet the requirement in the clause in subsection (a).

Since Obama was neither born a member of a US Native American Tribe, nor was a legislative exception made for anyone (other than Native Americans) who acquired a conflicting foreign citizenship at birth, Obama is not a NBC. He was born a Brit via his father.

His mother did have the ability to have him naturalized as a close relative. At best, Obama is a naturalized US Citizen.

If you think you can poke holes in that, explain why subsection (b) of the US Nationality Law is still applicable to those born in the US to this day.

Contact your senators and congressman.

Demand immediate action. It's your solemn duty. You can't allow Obama to get away with this.

Keep us updated.

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Old 03-17-2017, 04:48 PM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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Your post are in the running for the most obsessive dead horse beating theme of the year.

Whack, Whack Whack...but it is dead and not going to get up.

And even after the whole thing has totally lost any relevance.

But whack whack whack...Be funny if not so sad.
So you, too, cannot explain why subsection (b) of the US Nationality Law is still included and still applies to those born in the US to this day.

All you have in response is irrelevant blather.
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Old 03-17-2017, 04:49 PM
 
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So you, too, cannot explain why subsection (b) of the US Nationality Law is still included and still applies to those born in the US to this day.

All you have in response is irrelevant blather.
What does subsection (b) have to do with Obama? I just don't see the connection. I know you are much smarter than us based on your passive aggressive comments but please elaborate.
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Old 03-17-2017, 04:52 PM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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I did comprehend it. I don't think you comprehended what you copied and pasted.

The following shall be nationals and citizens of the United States at birth:

(a) a person born in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof;

(b) a person born in the United States to a member of an Indian, Eskimo, Aleutian, or other aboriginal tribe: Provided, That the granting of citizenship under this subsection shall not in any manner impair or otherwise affect the right of such person to tribal or other property;
Youre getting closer... If everyone born in the US is automatically a US Citizen at birth, why is subsection (b) still included and still applies to those born in the US to this day?
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Old 03-17-2017, 04:53 PM
 
Location: Lone Mountain Las Vegas NV
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So you, too, cannot explain why subsection (b) of the US Nationality Law is still included and still applies to those born in the US to this day.

All you have in response is irrelevant blather.
Of course I can...and have. The only people to whom 'not subject to the jurisdiction thereof' are people who cannot be arrested...which demonstrates jurisdiction. And those are foreign diplomats and their families and invading soldiers. Obama is neither and absolutely was subject to the jurisdiction from birth.

Now hit the horese again...Maybe he will twitch.
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Old 03-17-2017, 04:59 PM
 
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Youre getting closer... If everyone born in the US is automatically a US Citizen at birth, why is subsection (b) still included and still applies to those born in the US to this day?
What is your point? Obviously you know why but you are being cryptic for some reason. I know what it means but I don't think you know what you think it means.
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Old 03-17-2017, 05:09 PM
 
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What does subsection (b) have to do with Obama?
Obama was a foreign national at birth, just like US-born US Native American Tribe members.
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Old 03-17-2017, 05:10 PM
 
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I consider that any site that hides it's source/background isn't trustworthy.

The real silliness is that it's not "taboo" - it's just almost a decade too late.
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