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Of course I can...and have. The only people to whom 'not subject to the jurisdiction thereof' are people who cannot be arrested...which demonstrates jurisdiction. And those are foreign diplomats and their families and invading soldiers. Obama is neither and absolutely was subject to the jurisdiction from birth.
A swing and a miss...
Citizens of Native American Tribes can be arrested and that's been in effect since the late 1880s, but they still needed a legislative exemption to the "subject to the jurisdiction" requirement to have birthright US Citizenship, and that exception is still necessary and applies to this day.
What is your point? Obviously you know why but you are being cryptic for some reason. I know what it means but I don't think you know what you think it means.
It means those born in the US a citizen of a foreign sovereignty (including the US Indian Nations) need a specific legislative exception to the jurisdiction requirement to have birthright US Citizenship. US-born members of US Native American Tribes are the only US-born foreign nationals who have been legally granted that exception. Alternatively, US-born foreign nationals can choose to naturalize.
It means those born in the US a citizen of a foreign sovereignty (including the US Indian Nations) need a specific legislative exception to the jurisdiction requirement to have birthright US Citizenship. US-born members of US Native American Tribes are the only US-born foreign nationals who have been legally granted that exception. Alternatively, US-born foreign nationals can choose to naturalize.
It still doesn't apply to Obama who was born in the good ol' US Of A.
It still doesn't apply to Obama who was born in the good ol' US Of A.
This debate is confusing me - where are people claiming he was born if not the US?
Why is this thread going strong 29 pages in? I have to imagine there are better things to devote so much free time to...The Obama presidency is over, last I checked.
This debate is confusing me - where are people claiming he was born if not the US?
Why is this thread going strong 29 pages in? I have to imagine there are better things to devote so much free time to...The Obama presidency is over, last I checked.
I agree. I keep engaging InformedConsent because he/she is thoroughly convinced that Obama came from outer space. I know whatever I say to him/her just goes in one ear and out the other.
InformedConsent, I wish you luck in finding the truth. Your obsession with former president Obama is truly at epic levels. You belong with the Trump herd.
It still doesn't apply to Obama who was born in the good ol' US Of A.
IC is a proponent of a hopelessly weird view that because the US routinely screwed the indians we do it to any one else who may have a claim to citizenship other than American. IC's case is that you must be American and American only otherwise you are not a natural born American. IC wishes to institute a rule that appears no where that if some other state claims you are a national or a citizen than you can be an American national or even citizen buit by are not naturally born.
The entire thing is absurd on its face...It would say that any nation anywhere can control the jurisdiction of the US. If for instance one of your grandparents were born abroad you may be able to claim citizenship in that country...IC would claim that make you not a natural born citizen. In my case I wold be in trouble as two of my four grandparents were born in Europe. Either or both may even have been illegal.
This illusion that IC pushes has no basis in reality...but still IC loves it. A strange view of reality.
there were also birthers who believed obama was born in canada ( one in this very thread ). there was even a canadian birth certificate for obama that phil berg submitted to court early on in birtherism. it was signed by "dudley dooright"
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