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Old 03-17-2017, 09:45 AM
 
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Your greed is showing.
What does that mean? Have you actually thought about any of this?
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Old 03-17-2017, 09:47 AM
 
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What does that mean? Have you actually thought about any of this?
Yes, deeply. Do you know how it looks when you covet your neighbors wealth?
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Old 03-17-2017, 09:48 AM
 
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I'm shocked at how many people think this is a win for the taxpayers. The budget isn't being reduced, it's being shifted from one group of agencies to another.

FYI folks, the 31% cut to the EPA ($2.6B) is less than the cost of a single Navy attack submarine ($2.66B). Is a single Navy submarine more important than protecting the water, air and soil of the entire nation? While we're on the topic, do you really believe that procuring military assets meant to project power around the globe while pursuing an isolationist policy even makes sense?

Let's also keep in mind that cancer and heart disease kill 1.2 million Americans every single year (nearly triple the total American losses in WWII), so I would argue that cuts to NIH aren't going to make us safer.
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Old 03-17-2017, 09:49 AM
 
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I'm shocked at how many people think this is a win for the taxpayers. The budget isn't being reduced, it's being shifted from one group of agencies to another.

FYI folks, the 31% cut to the EPA ($2.6B) is less than the cost of a single Navy attack submarine ($2.66B). Is a single Navy submarine more important than protecting the water, air and soil of the entire nation? While we're on the topic, do you really believe that procuring military assets meant to project power around the globe while pursuing an isolationist policy even makes sense?

Let's also keep in mind that cancer and heart disease kill 1.2 million Americans every single year (nearly triple the total American losses in WWII), so I would argue that cuts to NIH aren't going to make us safer.
Do you agree that it should all be slashed?
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Old 03-17-2017, 09:54 AM
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I'm shocked at how many people think this is a win for the taxpayers. The budget isn't being reduced, it's being shifted from one group of agencies to another.

FYI folks, the 31% cut to the EPA ($2.6B) is less than the cost of a single Navy attack submarine ($2.66B). Is a single Navy submarine more important than protecting the water, air and soil of the entire nation? While we're on the topic, do you really believe that procuring military assets meant to project power around the globe while pursuing an isolationist policy even makes sense?

Let's also keep in mind that cancer and heart disease kill 1.2 million Americans every single year (nearly triple the total American losses in WWII), so I would argue that cuts to NIH aren't going to make us safer.
I rather have the single Navy submarine than the EPA.

Listen, a lot of these "cuts" are simply restoring pre-Obama funding levels. It's great how the media always spins this though.
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Old 03-17-2017, 09:54 AM
 
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Yes, deeply. Do you know how it looks when you covet your neighbors wealth?
This is not about coveting. We have a progressive based Tax system, a society, and an economy. For whatever reason you want to play lapdog to a segment of the population and it's nonsense. You are being irrational. Calling the wealthy victims is irrational. They are not victims. I cannot believe you are even suggesting this.
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Old 03-17-2017, 09:56 AM
 
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Yes, and he's going to decrease income with massive tax cuts.

Hmmm, I just don't remember saying anything about tax cuts. I only remember talking about budget cuts.

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If you don't understand the benefits of budget cutting when our debt is $20 trillion or doing something about illegal immigration.... I might as well be trying to explain to you that water is wet, because if you can't get it on your own, I can never get you to understand.
Where did I say anything about tax cuts?
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Old 03-17-2017, 10:05 AM
 
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Hmmm, I just don't remember saying anything about tax cuts. I only remember talking about budget cuts.

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Where did I say anything about tax cuts?
It doesn't matter. He will increase spending and decrease income. The monies saved from budget cuts will not cover the gifts to the wealthy (based on numbers from his campaign site). This is what they always do. They increase spending and decrease income and we end up in a recession. Only difference this time is that he's going to stop progress and damage our environment
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Old 03-17-2017, 10:08 AM
 
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I rather have the single Navy submarine than the EPA.

Listen, a lot of these "cuts" are simply restoring pre-Obama funding levels. It's great how the media always spins this though.
I would not. The environment is something we all need for survival but must share with each other. It is the very purpose of government to regulate and oversee such things. Otherwise, we all suffer from the poor/greedy/short sighted decisions of a few.

The EPA budget in 2016 was $8.1B with a workforce of 15,376. When Obama took office it was $7.5B with a workforce of 16,916. So Obama's time in office actually saw a 9.1% reduction in manpower with a 8% increase in spending.

Trumps budget cut of 31% ($2.6B) takes the EPA down to $5.5B, which is a level not seen since 1990. Ever try fishing in the Adirondacks in 1990? The lakes were completely sterile.
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Old 03-17-2017, 10:08 AM
 
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It doesn't matter. He will increase spending and decrease income. The monies saved from budget cuts will not cover the gifts to the wealthy (based on numbers from his campaign site). This is what they always do. The increase spending and decreased income and we end up in a recession. Only difference this time is that he's going to stop progress and damage our environment
Budgets need to be cut. This is a first step. We also need to cut the DOD's budget as well.

How much does the EPA need to spend above $730 per chair to save the environment?

As a matter of fact, how does buying any expensive furniture help the environment?
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