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Trump's lying is different than other people lying. Trump's lying is pathological -- he has no moral objection. Lying, to him, is just a means of getting the things that you want. It's the same with promises.
Im trying to understand this, really.
How is a President that is doing exactly what he said he would is considered "lying"??
Regarding all these comments about Plan A vs Plan B, all ridiculous really, when first off recognizing there really was not even a Plan A let alone a Plan B. Plan A was not viable or passable for all the obvious reasons that anyone willing to follow this story can't help but conclude. Just about all the support that "Plan A" got from the GOP was mostly just to support Ryan, but mostly, even the GOP didn't want to go back to their constituents explaining such onerous legislation. There really was no Plan A!
If only the liberals had such responsibility when passing the ACA which was also bad legislation... the GOP was reasonable enough not to pass more bad legislation. that looks like a victory in itself.
How is a President that is doing exactly what he said he would is considered "lying"??
I gave examples in my post but you chose not to include them.
Let's see if you can notice the disconnect: What Trump said: On the campaign trail, Donald Trump was no fan of financial industry giant Goldman Sachs. One of his campaign ads in the days just before the vote even featured Goldman CEO Lloyd Blankfein. What Trump did:Appoints a number of key Goldman Sachs executives to high office.
What Trump said:On health care: “You will end up with great health care for a fraction of the price and that will take place immediately after we go in. Immediately! Fast! Quick!” What Trump did: He backed a bill that was more expensive; threw 24 million off of health coverage and certainly wasn't immediate, as he is now walking away from the entire topic.
What Trump said:'You worked for Medicare and Social Security and I won't touch them.' What Trump did:Supported the AHCApolypse that takes a trillion dollars away from Medicare; He appointed Tom Price as HHS Secy, who always wanted to gut MEdicare; and supported Ryan's plan to voucherize Medicare.
Those are three examples of Trump lying to voters where he said one thing and did another.
If only the liberals had such responsibility when passing the ACA which was also bad legislation... the GOP was reasonable enough not to pass more bad legislation. that looks like a victory in itself.
LOL
Too bad the GOP (and Trump) wasn't "reasonable enough" to not even propose such a stoooooopid and absolutely AWFUL plan to begin with.
If only the liberals had such responsibility when passing the ACA which was also bad legislation... the GOP was reasonable enough not to pass more bad legislation. that looks like a victory in itself.
First, the ACA wasn't 'bad legislation.' It got 20 million more Americans on insurance and added many, many provisions that help Americans, including no discrimination against preexisting conditions and no lifetime caps on coverage. It also paid for everything it got and now, according to the CBO, is running a third less expensive than predicted.
Second, AHCApolypse was horrid legislation, that was really a rich person's tax-cut disguised as health care legislation. It was a bill that confirmed all the cruel and vicious claims leveled against conservatives for decades.
Third, saying the GOP was "reasonable enough" not to pass AHCApolypse is like saying I tried to shoot my spouse but I was reasonable enough to have bad aim. It isn't like the GOP didn't try to pass it. It's just that their most conservative members wouldn't vote for it because it wasn't cruel, punishing and vindictive enough on the American people. The Dems wouldn't vote for it because it wasn't nearly as good as the ACA.
If only the liberals had such responsibility when passing the ACA which was also bad legislation... the GOP was reasonable enough not to pass more bad legislation. that looks like a victory in itself.
What is good or bad legislation is a obviously a subjective matter, but whether legislation is passed or not is the matter at hand here. Liberals took responsibility for passing the ACA, if that's what you want to call it. Conservatives need to take responsibility for again doing nothing.
The ACA was good legislation far as me and many others are concerned, just not perfect, needs improving, of course. I was glad Obama managed to get the ACA through Congress. I am disappointed Trump/GOP have done nothing to improve our health care system in America, but not surprised! What's new???
It could also be said that he made the grave error of totally believing what some in congress were telling him.
Trump is finding out that this "CEO" job is a whole hell of a lot different from his past gigs. He's dealing with (some) people who are not always willing to deal, not at all willing to compromise and some who are not even willing to tell the truth when asked.
While some of running the country is like a business the biggest difference is he has a board of directors (congress) that are diametrically opposed and some that are willing if not gleeful to send it off into a ditch to get their point across or see the other side fail, unlike a corporation where the board, while divided at times has the same basic goal in mind which is the absolute health and growth of the company and avoid at all costs anything that would hinder it's success and hurt their wallets...
Running a country is not like running a business at all - it's more like running a non profit where the citizens elect the board and benefit from the mission. In theory.
I gave examples in my post but you chose not to include them.
Let's see if you can notice the disconnect: What Trump said: On the campaign trail, Donald Trump was no fan of financial industry giant Goldman Sachs. One of his campaign ads in the days just before the vote even featured Goldman CEO Lloyd Blankfein. What Trump did:Appoints a number of key Goldman Sachs executives to high office.
What Trump said:On health care: “You will end up with great health care for a fraction of the price and that will take place immediately after we go in. Immediately! Fast! Quick!” What Trump did: He backed a bill that was more expensive; threw 24 million off of health coverage and certainly wasn't immediate, as he is now walking away from the entire topic.
What Trump said:'You worked for Medicare and Social Security and I won't touch them.' What Trump did:Supported the AHCApolypse that takes a trillion dollars away from Medicare; He appointed Tom Price as HHS Secy, who always wanted to gut MEdicare; and supported Ryan's plan to voucherize Medicare.
Those are three examples of Trump lying to voters where he said one thing and did another.
Well done, just for starters. That Mexico would pay for Trump's wall is another pretty good one, but you can lead a so called horse to so called water, and if they insist on drinking kool aid instead, you might as well give up and maybe ask instead what flavor kool aid is being enjoyed...
Moot? This and the rest of your comments are truly amazing to read, amazing to believe anyone can be so wanting to mentally reorganize the events happening around them only in such a way that preserves their pre-determined mind-set.
Moot?
The wall is apparently getting built to the tune of billions of dollars over as many years that will likely have Trump gone before it is even completed, if in fact it gets completed. According to what possible scenario in your mind is it possible that Mexico will pay for Trump's wall? You are waiting for further word of what possible sort that can possibly explain other than this too was an empty false promise that Trump used to win voters like you?
Regarding all these comments about Plan A vs Plan B, all ridiculous really, when first off recognizing there really was not even a Plan A let alone a Plan B. Plan A was not viable or passable for all the obvious reasons that anyone willing to follow this story can't help but conclude. Just about all the support that "Plan A" got from the GOP was mostly just to support Ryan, but mostly, even the GOP didn't want to go back to their constituents explaining such onerous legislation. There really was no Plan A!
Of course there was no Plan B either!
That Spicer or anyone else tries to twist the truth about any of this by hiding the ball with this semantic or that, Trump meant this, not that, is a nice try and maybe effective for some dim wits, but the truth is obvious. We waited all this time, "giving Trump a chance" as his supporters kept insisting (and rightfully so).
Chance given, and after all these years to deliver this garbage at this "now or never" moment as Trump insisted, is something only Trump supporters can defend as defensible. Otherwise, no one in their right mind can do so...
And yet, through all your blather, scripted vitriol and attempted insults you didn't show how I was in any way incorrect. BTW, I did not vote for Trump.
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