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Old 03-25-2017, 08:55 AM
 
Location: Staten Island, NY
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RETHUGLICAN BS! According to the CBO ,they are LYING! Read it and weep!~Why Obamacare Defeated Trumpcare Why Obamacare Defeated Trumpcare
The CBO made all these wonderful claims about Obama care and were mostly wrong. To think the CBO is thought of as a "highly respected" organization is frightening.
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Old 03-25-2017, 09:16 AM
 
Location: Living rent free in your head
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The CBO made all these wonderful claims about Obama care and were mostly wrong. To think the CBO is thought of as a "highly respected" organization is frightening.
CBO projections about the number of people who would be insured under the ACA were accurate based on the information they had at the time which was that all states would expand medicaid
CBO's Obamacare Predictions: How Accurate? - FactCheck.org

nice try though
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Old 03-25-2017, 09:16 AM
 
Location: Foot of the Rockies
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You sound like you think people still respect "pundits".
That was probably a poor word, pre-coffee. I have my coffee now. All the media, all the observers are pretty much in agreement. Trump blew it. I was just reading this:
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features...n-health-care/ 538
Plus:
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/24/u...-act.html?_r=0 NY Times
House Republicans pull health care bill - CNNPolitics.com CNN
Trump tastes failure as U.S. House healthcare bill collapses | Reuters Reuter's (several articles within this link)
Republicans withdraw healthcare bill in blow to Trump | News | Al Jazeera Al Jazeera
How Trump The Dealmaker Failed On Health Care - NBC News NBC
Health care bill vote failure reveals Trump's dealmaking limitations - CBS News CBS
Why Trump Can't Spin His Healthcare Defeat Newsweek
Trump blames Democrats for GOP health care bill failure, says ObamaCare is 'imploding' | Fox News Fox

Plus much more.

Look at the pictures many of them use to accompany their articles. They say a lot!
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Old 03-25-2017, 09:20 AM
 
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CBO projections about the number of people who would be insured under the ACA were accurate based on the information they had at the time which was that all states would expand medicaid
CBO's Obamacare Predictions: How Accurate? - FactCheck.org

nice try though
It would have been amazing if they had based it upon an assumption no ever got sick.
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Old 03-25-2017, 09:31 AM
 
Location: Juneau, AK + Puna, HI
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..What is Trump going to introduce on his own terms....healthcare lol He knows nothing about it.
No, he doesn't, and he's not willing or able to learn enough about it to coherently negotiate on his own accord.

As others have said, he's a great salesman but has a poor grasp of policy. So, he needs a strong ally to do the heavy work for him, and Ryan's apparently not that man.
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Old 03-25-2017, 09:37 AM
 
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I get what you are saying... we are not more free in our current state, but... I can go back to our original intent and design that the founders purposed and use that as a right to fight the tyranny that our government has created.

Other countries have no such means. From their very own documents, their liberties are granted, on loan, as a matter of allowance by their governments. This is why the US is so unique, and while our government has become corrupt, and it has oppressed the people, it can not do so without manipulating the original intent. As I said, other governments need not manipulate, at the end of the day, they gave people their liberties, they can take them away by their own law.
Having traveled to a good number of these countries, particularly in Europe, I don't get the feeling while there, when talking to those Europeans, that they don't enjoy the same freedoms I do as an American. In fact in many ways they seem to enjoy their lives/freedom there better than many Americans seem to be enjoying their lives/freedom here. So just what freedom/liberty are you referring to that either we should have and don't or that they don't have in those European countries?

Other than maybe owning guns. Even with that one, they are enjoying less gun violence, so that might be a break-even sort of freedom enjoyed (or not) depending on who you are and what you do with your time...
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Old 03-25-2017, 09:40 AM
 
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Republicans voted to repeal the ACA more than 50 times, each time they blamed their failure to do so on having a Democratic President. They promised that if voters gave them a Republican President they would 'repeal and replace', They now have a republican house, senate and president and they still can't repeal it and even if they could, they have no clue as to what to replace it with.

You might have been able to blame the ACA on Dems BEFORE Jan 21st, but since then..its on the shoulders of your heroes; Lumpy Trumpy, little Eddie Munster and the rest of the crew in the clown car. They hold all the cards, what happens now is 100% their responsibility. That my friend is how life works
Nope.

The only thing on the Republicans is the failure to get rid of Obamacare.

Obamacare itself is on the Democrats' shoulders.

Turning the knight (who tries but fails to slay the dragon) into the dragon doesn't really work.

Sorry.
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Old 03-25-2017, 09:40 AM
 
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Better to die free than live as a slave.

No more taxes, in fact, I want less taxes because I am not an idiot, I know my dreams will never be realized by paying more taxes.

I want this country to return to its original intent, not become a complete socialist haven under the foot of big government who dictates my liberties as if I was a subject to the state.

There are many who also want that as well.
First, try learning what socialism really is, then we can move on a little more intelligently with this sort of discussion.

You can't very well treat someone who has acne if you believe they have leprosy...
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Old 03-25-2017, 09:44 AM
 
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That was probably a poor word, pre-coffee. I have my coffee now. All the media, all the observers are pretty much in agreement. Trump blew it. I was just reading this:
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features...n-health-care/ 538
Plus:
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/24/u...-act.html?_r=0 NY Times
House Republicans pull health care bill - CNNPolitics.com CNN
Trump tastes failure as U.S. House healthcare bill collapses | Reuters Reuter's (several articles within this link)
Republicans withdraw healthcare bill in blow to Trump | News | Al Jazeera Al Jazeera
How Trump The Dealmaker Failed On Health Care - NBC News NBC
Health care bill vote failure reveals Trump's dealmaking limitations - CBS News CBS
Why Trump Can't Spin His Healthcare Defeat Newsweek
Trump blames Democrats for GOP health care bill failure, says ObamaCare is 'imploding' | Fox News Fox

Plus much more.

Look at the pictures many of them use to accompany their articles. They say a lot!
More lying liberal fake news.

There's so much of it these days!
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