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Old 03-26-2017, 01:51 AM
 
Location: Gilbert, Arizona
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"Obamacare!! Trumpcare!!

Congress PLEASE!! Please put aside party pettiness for 90 days and hammer out AMERICARE!! A common sense healthcare system which covers pre-existing conditions and adult children. It shouldn't guarantee profits to big insurance or big pharma and should encourage competition across state lines. It should also permit citizens and units of government to purchase medicine from verified sites outside the country to hold down costs.

Congress, put aside D's and R's for 90 days and roll up your sleeves. Give us AMERICARE!!"


Elbert Lee Guillory

https://elbertguillorysamerica.com/index
Medicare for all is the answer. That solves the competition + across state lines + coverage + affordability easily. "Competition" is such BS for healthcare. I don't think you go shopping around for medical services like you do at a grocery store do you?
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Old 03-26-2017, 02:18 AM
 
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Medicare for all is the answer. That solves the competition + across state lines + coverage + affordability easily. "Competition" is such BS for healthcare. I don't think you go shopping around for medical services like you do at a grocery store do you?
Medicare is a mess. My husband ran a doctor's office and he knows Medicare ruined medical care.

Plus, we shop around for our medical services. You have to now. My husband had to get a MRI so he checked around. One place was charging around 300 for it but he found another place that charged around 100, guess which one he chose.
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Old 03-26-2017, 03:41 AM
 
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GOP won't need to do anything but wait until Obamacare falls apart.
Then what? repubs try to pass another dogs breakfast of a healthcare plan for the nation? Something that ends up being worse than Obamacare?
If you dont like Obamacare then dont subscribe to it,shop around for something else.
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Old 03-26-2017, 07:08 AM
 
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Premiums and deductables have skyrocketed annually under Obama. Now all of a sudden if they go up it's Trump's fault?
Please show a link to some data on this. Since the day Obamacare was enacted, republicans have been saying it is a disaster. They said it was "job-killing", but the unemployment rate has declined every year since Obamacare took effect. They said it would be "budget-busting", but the deficit has gone down every year. We know that the number of uninsured people has dropped substantially, so Obamacare has been very successful at what it intended to do.

The only negative about Obamacare I have heard are anecdotal stories about people who have seen premiums increase, but I have never seen any statistics on that. The vast majority of Americans get healthcare through either their employer or through Medicare, so it has not affected most of us one bit. There may be a few people who have had premiums increase, so why not just tweak Obamacare to take care of them?
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Old 03-26-2017, 07:14 AM
 
Location: Houston
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'ObamaCare Will Explode': Trump Reacts to Pulling of GOP Health Care Bill | Fox News Insider

Here is Trump's answer to the bill not passing. He is so right.
Does he know that "implode" and "explode" are two completely different things? At any rate, you know that if the ACA goes down so does Trump and the congress that let it happen, right? On one hand if it survives, people won't lose their coverage. On the other hand if it does fail it will bring us one step closer to the end goal. What to do, what to do!?
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Old 03-26-2017, 07:35 AM
 
Location: Houston
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Medicare is a mess. My husband ran a doctor's office and he knows Medicare ruined medical care.

Plus, we shop around for our medical services. You have to now. My husband had to get a MRI so he checked around. One place was charging around 300 for it but he found another place that charged around 100, guess which one he chose.
Your story is certainly not indicative of "Medicare is a mess". The truth is quite the opposite. Medicare has improved medical care, not ruined it. I have no idea why you would want to promote such blatantly false information like that. Maybe it's a mess for doctors who wish to gouge their patients with obscene pricing but for elderly patients it's a lifesaver. Besides, how much would it cost a 65+ year old individual to buy insurance on the private market?

My father, who is on Medicare, had prostate cancer. He was treated very efficiently and in a timely manner. No waits and none of the horror stories that conservatives like to try and push. According to him he had a fantastic experience with the doctors and the hospital. He was given the latest, most up to date treatment available. He's been in remission for nearly 10 years now. Medicare saved his life.

I've not met even one person on Medicare who would part with it. Sure, some of them parrot the GOP propaganda like you but don't you dare ask them to give up their Medicare. They'll crucify you for it. Just ask them and see what they say. Stop parroting the lies of your GOP overlords. They've conned you into being one of their shills. Wake up!

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Old 03-26-2017, 07:37 AM
 
Location: Long Island, NY
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Please show a link to some data on this.
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I'll do it for them.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.fe946ef4a86c



As for deductibles, the policyholder has control over that. If you don't want higher deductibles, buy a more expensive plan. But if you buy the least expensive Bronze plan, you have no cause to complain about deductibles.
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Old 03-26-2017, 07:50 AM
 
Location: CT
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Trump just called the democrat's bluff and walked away. They were expecting him to go back and forth a few times then take possession of O-care. Instead he simply walked away. This is legit art of the deal stuff. Look it up. He is playing a game of chess. 4d chess to be exact. How do I know? Not only did he get more than 1300 primary delegates, but he's now the president. 2 things I heard many times were impossible.
Democrats? I'm not sure if you got the memo, but the republicans won a super majority in November, they don't need the democrats to pass legislation. Trump called the GOP's bluff, and more specifically, the Tea Party. He is apparently willing to let healthcare simmer, this was a move to set the stage for the things he wants most which begins with tax reform, that's going to be his signature issue and it's going to be rough.
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Old 03-26-2017, 07:57 AM
 
Location: Long Island, NY
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GOP won't need to do anything but wait until Obamacare falls apart.
The CBO just said last week that it is sustainable. The only way it can fail is if the Trump Admin sabotages it – and then the failure is on them. But the idea that a president would make the insurance system fail intentionally and harm millions of Americans, so that he can make some vague point, is political malpractice and should be impeachable.
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Originally Posted by janelle144 View Post
"Obamacare!! Trumpcare!!
Congress PLEASE!! Please put aside party pettiness for 90 days and hammer out AMERICARE!! A common sense healthcare system which covers pre-existing conditions and adult children. It shouldn't guarantee profits to big insurance or big pharma and should encourage competition across state lines. It should also permit citizens and units of government to purchase medicine from verified sites outside the country to hold down costs.

Congress, put aside D's and R's for 90 days and roll up your sleeves. Give us AMERICARE!!"
Elbert Lee Guillory
https://elbertguillorysamerica.com/index
You can't have a health care insurance system that keeps only the goodies and leaves all the parts that pay for the goodies behind. Do you go to 'buy one, get one free, sales' and insist that you should just walk out with the free one?

Obamacare works by first deciding that we don’t want Americans denied coverage because of preexisting conditions — which just about everyone except conservative Congressman, who insisted on Friday that even that be pulled out of the GOP replacement.

So why not just impose community rating — so insurance companies can't discrimination based on medical history?

That leads to what's called the death spiral: healthy people choose to go uninsured until they get sick, leading to too many sick people in the risk pool, leading to high premiums, leading even more healthy people dropping out, and so on.

So you have to back community rating up with an individual mandate: people must be required to purchase insurance even if they don’t currently think they need it.

But what if they can’t afford insurance? Well, you have to have subsidies that cover part of premiums for lower-income Americans. In effect, Obamacare. If you don't have the mandate, subsidies and community ratings you can't provide preexisting condition coverage, plain and simple.
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