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Old 05-10-2017, 11:59 AM
 
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Originally Posted by NancyDrew1 View Post
It can be a good solution/answerfor an unintended pregnancy

Circumstances differ
Not really, can't adopt a zygote or fetus, only born children. Causing a woman to remain pregnant so she can give her family member away is predatory. Treating humans like commodities is wrong plus that potential child doesn't get to have his real parents. Let's keep adoption beautiful: it's for children who need homes.
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Old 05-10-2017, 12:05 PM
 
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Not really, can't adopt a zygote or fetus, only born children. Causing a woman to remain pregnant so she can give her family member away is predatory. Treating humans like commodities is wrong plus that potential child doesn't get to have his real parents. Let's keep adoption beautiful: it's for children who need homes.
You do not CAUSE A PERSON TO BE OR REMAIN PREGNANT
(except in rare cases of rape of course)

It is not WRONG to give your child up for adoption. More broad-brushing

Those that adopt the infant are the REAL PARENTS

Unwanted children need homes. They do not need their arms, legs, ripped off their tiny bodies instead then tossed into the trash. Worse... while possibly, still alive. If that isn't predatory, then nothing is.
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Old 05-10-2017, 12:14 PM
 
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they are babies as soon as they have a heartbeat

sorry but 'want' doesn't equal 'need'

a woman has the right to chose to have sex or not....and she has that very CHOICE

a woman has the right to chose to have protected sex or not....and she has that very CHOICE

a woman has the right to chose to have contracepted sex or not....and she has that very CHOICE

a woman has the right to chose to tell the male to put on a 'raincoat' for sex or not....and she has that very CHOICE


the fact remains that IF she gets pregnant she made choices to get there...but she didn't do it alone....and you can darm-skippy bet if she choses to keep it, she will be yelling about child support from the male, who made the baby WITH her

that baby should have a choice...the male should also be part of that choice.....its not JUST her body, but another life form (baby) growing inside her.....



btw I agree with abortion being allowed , just should not be federally funded

I don't think abortion should be the first choice.... many couples out there CAN'T physically have kids...instead of abortion, why not consider adoption
People don't consider adoption because it's for children who need homes and not for incubating babies for other people. For others, it grosses people out to use humans in transactions like they did back in slave times. In both instances, they believe of course, that an early termination is not murder. However, what an anti-choice person does not realize when they insert the adoption card, is it makes them as "bad"as the pro-choice group, because now they want real live humans to be used in transactions.

Hope this helps.
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Old 05-10-2017, 12:18 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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Actually, if Planned Parenthood was smart, they'd change the name of the business to something like Responsible Health and quit allowing other people to to define them by one service they provide. I mean when I go to the Podiatrist, I don't say Toenail Extractor Clinic.

Relative to real doctors and nurses, you may have a point - but access is the key since insurance is a joke in this country. And there is also the fact that wealthy people are able to get their abortions and poorer people cannot get their abortions due to access issues.


That was also the case back in the 1950's & 60's, people with money could get abortions more easily if they had money, the other chose some other method. Hospital in NYC treated thousands for complications and near death experiences, not going into detail but it was horrid. Why anyone would want to return to that time period is beyond me.
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Old 05-10-2017, 12:19 PM
 
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You do not CAUSE A PERSON TO BE OR REMAIN PREGNANT
(except in rare cases of rape of course)

It is not WRONG to give your child up for adoption. More broad-brushing

Those that adopt the infant are the REAL PARENTS

Unwanted children need homes. They do not need their arms, legs, ripped off their tiny bodies instead then tossed into the trash. Worse... while possibly, still alive. If that isn't predatory, then nothing is.
How come a child conceived in rape can be thrown away?
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Old 05-10-2017, 12:20 PM
 
Location: UNMC Area
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Since Planned Parenthood states no Government funding goes towards abortions, how is they state that women wont have a safe place to do them? There are thousands of abortion clinics in the USA, so I call BS on their part. Truth is, the funding supports all operations of doing abortions indirectly. Correct.
Simply, They take the public funds and put most of it in their pocket. It is a money making venture for them. Without public money they have no profit. Shut them down heath care will be there by real doctors and nurses. Never has PP been about providing any kind of aid. It has always been Agenda driven and profit orientated.
It is a play on words, but its no different than how our politicians do illegal things and get away with it. They wordsmith to their constituents.
According to Planned Parenthood, all abortions are funded by the patients - so what would change?
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Old 05-10-2017, 12:23 PM
 
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That was also the case back in the 1950's & 60's, people with money could get abortions more easily if they had money, the other chose some other method. Hospital in NYC treated thousands for complications and near death experiences, not going into detail but it was horrid. Why anyone would want to return to that time period is beyond me.
For women in the State of Texas, it is creeping back, though.
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Old 05-10-2017, 12:24 PM
 
Location: East Lansing, MI
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If that were true, then this thread wouldn't be 29 pages long...


It *is* true. Demonstrably so.


Just because people want to use the "hockey assist" logic to tie funding to PP to abortion services doesn't make it actually true.
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Old 05-10-2017, 12:32 PM
 
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That was also the case back in the 1950's & 60's, people with money could get abortions more easily if they had money, the other chose some other method. Hospital in NYC treated thousands for complications and near death experiences, not going into detail but it was horrid. Why anyone would want to return to that time period is beyond me.
No one here advocated such. That is truth

Again, and again, and again, there are OVER 13 thousand Federally Approved HEALTH CENTERS which do abortion in the US. A youtube video of Congress stating this as fact was posted earlier in the thread.

Planned Parenthood didn't even come to the Sacramento AREA until the late 80's or 90's

Contraception is much more readily available than ever...and totally free in many of those places

No Dark Ages Here whatsoever

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Old 05-10-2017, 12:35 PM
 
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How come a child conceived in rape can be thrown away?
Thrown away where?
Do you mean MURDERED THEN thrown into a trash can?
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