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But liberals turned society into a population of those that have their hand out saying gimme.
Generally, all societies evolve and change over time. It's the same since the beginning of history. Many things used to be different. But medical care also was different. Doctors used to make house calls. They would draw blood for the patient to get better. Maybe suction cups. It cost $2.
Fast forward to 2017: 2 days hospitalization without special procedures will cost you $5,000. A routine surgery $100,000. US has the most expensive and worst cost performing health system in the developed world. The free market worked its magic and we are where we are. What exactly "self relying" means under those conditions?
Edit: we haven't seen the end of it yet. The private market will continue working its magic and prices will go up more and more. What will we do when insurance premiums will be $10,000 a month? After all, these business owners need to get faster rich.
Where am I defending hospitals and big pharna price gouging?
I've always maintained that government would better serve Americans health care needs by looking for ways to bring down the cost of health care rather than trying to force everyone to bear the ridiculous prices together equally.
For example.....
Why does an MRI still cost $3000.00 when the technology has been around for decades and the techs who run the equipment make $18.00 an hour?.
Why is healthcare the only field where the cost to the consumer doesn't go down over time?
If Liberals spent more time trying to solve that issue, I'd have a lot more respect for them than just wanting to reach into my wallet for their healthcare.
Because the "free market" does not work for healthcare, that's why. Our current system has led to an absolutely unsustainable HC expenses compared to GDP. "Single payer", Medicare, or whatever variation is a way to start reigning in costs, while simultaneously providing universal coverage. If, not, the "insurance" model could potentially work but then it is again the government who regulates it (e.g. Switzerland). And by it , I mean everything - insurance, hospitals, drug pricing, etc. It is more expensive compared to single payer systems but still much cheaper than here.
The only ones using the word "free" are the ones against it.
It is NOT steal if i WANT to give that money
Fine, how about all of you who want to give, give to fund it. Those of us who don't want to give, don't have to fund it, but we don't get to use it?
Sound good? What is that? You need people like me to pay for it to make it work?
Sounds like you are taking from me to get something you or someone else didn't pay for.
You see, if you and those like you who "want" this can pay for it, then you don't need us and you could pay for it yourself. This is where your logic fails. You need others to pay for this because that is the entire point of the system, otherwise everyone would pay their own way.
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And again, if you believe paying taxes is being robbed, what the hell are you doing living in society?
I didn't choose to be a part of the society that you are talking about. You see, your idea of a society and mine are different. In yours, you think society means you can force everyone to pay for your pet causes. In my society, people choose and contribute if they find benefit and want to use such.
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Go live in the woods, make your house out of trees and plant your own food!
Can't escape taxes. If you own property, you have to pay taxes. If you make an income, you have to pay taxes. If you try to live away from town, in the woods, none of this changes. If I make income (be it trade between neighbors or open a small trade store in the mountains to sell to other like minded people living in the woods, I will still have to pay taxes, because you people want our money.
If we don't pay them, you will force us or kill us. How about you stop supporting robbery and murder?
Because the "free market" does not work for healthcare, that's why. Our current system has led to an absolutely unsustainable HC expenses compared to GDP. "Single payer", Medicare, or whatever variation is a way to start reigning in costs, while simultaneously providing universal coverage. If, not, the "insurance" model could potentially work but then it is again the government who regulates it (e.g. Switzerland). And by it , I mean everything - insurance, hospitals, drug pricing, etc. It is more expensive compared to single payer systems but still much cheaper than here.
P.S. The techs make more than $18/hour
We haven't had a free market in over 100 years. So, your claim is invalid. What we have had for all this time is a heavily regulated government system that has controlled the system, driven up prices, picked winners and losers, etc... all to serve government and crony capitalist interests. What you are seeing is a failure of government.
I challenge anyone to answer a really simple question...
Would YOU PERSONALLY feel justified in forcing others to fund your healthcare system? I'm asking if you specifically would do that and feel it was a noble thing.
It's an honest question, and I'm genuinely curious how people will respond. If you do feel you're justified in doing that, fine, then that is actually consistent with universal healthcare.
Why does an MRI still cost $3000.00 when the technology has been around for decades and the techs who run the equipment make $18.00 an hour?.
Why is healthcare the only field where the cost to the consumer doesn't go down over time?
If Liberals spent more time trying to solve that issue, I'd have a lot more respect for them than just wanting to reach into my wallet for their healthcare.
I suspect it's largely from paperwork, i.e. transaction costs, and debt service incurred in corporate acquisitions. Back in 1996 I represented three MRI companies in Chapter 11. While on paper the machines are owned by doctors in the real world corporate finance works in and not in a good way.
I challenge anyone to answer a really simple question...
Would YOU PERSONALLY feel justified in forcing others to fund your healthcare system? I'm asking if you specifically would see it as noble to do that.
It's an honest question, and I'm genuinely curious how people will respond. If you do feel you're justified in doing that, fine, then that is actually consistent with universal healthcare.
No one should be forced to pay or do anything.
They should be allowed to go live off the grid in the middle of nowhere without using public or emergency services
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