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You have to pass a burdensome background check process including fingerprint, interviews with references, etc. You have to take training and pass a live fire test, many counties have a psychological evaluation. All of this at your own cost, often times costing over 1k and taking 6+ months with no guarantee you will actually be given the privilege to protect yourself. If you consider this "barely have a pulse" I would love your take on showing ID to vote.
No, you don't have to pass a live fire test, the individual testing company might require that but the State doesn't. And there is NO statewide requirement for psychological testing or interviews with references. There is a background check and a training course no longer than 16 hours and that's about it. I would appreciate it if can show me just one of the "many Counties" in California that require a psychological evaluation because I checked and I can't find a single one.
No, you don't have to pass a live fire test, the individual testing company might require that but the State doesn't. And there is NO statewide requirement for psychological testing or interviews with references. There is a background check and a training course no longer than 16 hours and that's about it. I would appreciate it if can show me just one of the "many Counties" in California that require a psychological evaluation because I checked and I can't find a single one.
Penal Code 26190
(f)(1) If psychological testing on the initial application is required by the licensing authority, the license applicant shall be referred to a licensed psychologist used by the licensing authority for the psychological testing of its own employees. The applicant may be charged for the actual cost of the testing in an amount not to exceed one hundred fifty dollars ($150).
Just a cursory search turns up that Monterey, alameda, orange, Merced, San Joaquin, San Benito, LA, etc.
Also a the sherif can arbitrarily deny you if you don't have "good moral character" What ever that is.
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Penal Code 26190
(f)(1) If psychological testing on the initial application is required by the licensing authority, the license applicant shall be referred to a licensed psychologist used by the licensing authority for the psychological testing of its own employees. The applicant may be charged for the actual cost of the testing in an amount not to exceed one hundred fifty dollars ($150).
Just a cursory search turns up that Monterey, alameda, orange, Merced, San Joaquin, San Benito, LA, etc.
Also a the sherif can arbitrarily deny you if you don't have "good moral character" What ever that is.
I don't want to spend the rest of the evening reading up on this stuff but a 'cursory search' reveals that the Psych test for Merced is not a requirement, it's up to the issuing authority which means if someone applies and has no criminal history but comes off as 51-50 they can have a shrink evaluate them.
But the point is, I don't care, personally I think CCW's should be easy to get and inexpensive. I just think that if you are going to have armed people in a school they need training far beyond what is required for a CCW.
I don't want to spend the rest of the evening reading up on this stuff but a 'cursory search' reveals that the Psych test for Merced is not a requirement, it's up to the issuing authority which means if someone applies and has no criminal history but comes off as 51-50 they can have a shrink evaluate them.
But the point is, I don't care, personally I think CCW's should be easy and cheap to acquire. I just if you are going to have armed people in a school I think they need training far beyond what is required for a CCW.
The issuing authority requires for all applicants, otherwise it violates equal protection clause of the constitution. So it is either all or nothing.
At this point your argument is it should be more difficult for someone to protect children without any sort of evidence that this extra level of difficulty is needed besides pure speculation.
The issuing authority requires for all applicants, otherwise it violates equal protection clause of the constitution. So it is either all or nothing..
then you had probably better call the Merced Sheriff tomorrow and let him know that:
Depending on circumstances, the applicant may be required to provide written evidence from a licensed physician and/or an authorized psychologist used by the Department for psychological testing in order to determine the applicant’s suitability for carrying a concealed weapon and that the applicant is not currently suffering from any medical or psychological condition that would make the individual unsuitable for carrying a
concealed weapon. The costs of this psychological evaluation shall be paid by the applicant but shall not exceed the fee amount set by statute. The psychological evaluation is intended to determine whether an applicant has any outward indications or history of psychological problems that might render him/her unfit
to carry a concealed weapon. When psychological testing on the initial application is required, such testing shall be consistent with the requirements of the California Penal Code. https://www.co.merced.ca.us/Document...Home/View/5537
At least you guys can get a CCW. The Emperor of SD County has decided plebes can apply but get automatic denial based on cause. You have to be LE to get a CCW here.
I'm not even speculating on how many hours should be required, but I think that extensive shoot/don't shoot scenarios should be incorporated in the training as well as testing for hearing/vision/reaction time. Maybe a solution would be to require that an armed person in a school is a certified as a Police reserve officer, they are generally required to have the same firearms /use of force training as a regular officer and are required to participate in ongoing training in order to keep their reserve status.
And I am NOT saying this in an attempt to demean CCW holders, but you just don't have a lot of room for error when you have a gun in a room full of 5 year olds and I don't think that CCW training requirements are adequate for that purpose.
I'm not even speculating on how many hours should be required, but I think that extensive shoot/don't shoot scenarios should be incorporated in the training as well as testing for hearing/vision/reaction time. Maybe a solution would be to require that an armed person in a school is a certified as a Police reserve officer, they are generally required to have the same firearms /use of force training as a regular officer and are required to participate in ongoing training in order to keep their reserve status.
And I am NOT saying this in an attempt to demean CCW holders, but you just don't have a lot of room for error when you have a gun in a room full of 5 year olds and I don't think that CCW training requirements are adequate for that purpose.
I agree. I guess more training for teachers was a given.
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