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Then let's let Muslims take care of ISIS and bring our people home and work on our own problems.
Absolutely.
Not one more American life should ever be put on the line for that region of the world.
The Arabs, so quick to rally and find common voice against Israel, can start putting some of their oil money to work to defeat extremism and terror in their own back yard. Maybe a few less indoor ski resorts in Dubai and a little more directed to defeating ISIS.
Enough American lives and treasure has been WASTED in that part of the world over the past 100 years. I don't care if an oppressive dictator comes to power and unites the entire region under Islamic rule so long as they keep to themselves and don't **** with Europe or the US. That's the natural state of existence for the Middle East and Muslim populations anyway - theocracy.
We should pull back and let them fend for themselves.Tired of being their scapegoats for everything gone wrong in that region anyway! We don't even need their damned oil anymore.
The story had yet another development on Thursday: Some U.S. intelligence analysts knew the site was a hospital before it was bombed,
How much more depraved can you be to bomb a hospital? They are the evil ones? We are lied, to. We don't bother to double check anything. We knowingly bomb a hospital knowing we are going to kill doctors and women and children.
And they are the evil ones?
You're beginning to get pretty obtuse in your reasoning.
I'm quite sure there were intelligence analysts in the Pentagon who, if you were to ask, would know that building was a hospital. I have no doubt it was identified as a hospital in the Basic Encyclopedia, which lists thousands and thousands of facilities worldwide that we have identified.
There were probably intelligence analysts in theater who, if asked, would have identified that building as a hospital.
You're beginning to get pretty obtuse in your reasoning.
I'm quite sure there were intelligence analysts in the Pentagon who, if you were to ask, would know that building was a hospital. I have no doubt it was identified as a hospital in the Basic Encyclopedia, which lists thousands and thousands of facilities worldwide that we have identified.
There were probably intelligence analysts in theater who, if asked, would have identified that building as a hospital.
But the aircrew did not know at that moment.
You have no clue what they knew. Now they have to live with what they did.......
You have no clue what they knew. Now they have to live with what they did.......
They have testified to what they knew. They were given coordinates of a white, multi-wing, multistory building and told it was their target. They flew to the coordinates given of that white, multi-wing, multistory building, then asked the question of whether that target had been validated by American observers.
This is an inherent problem with close air support that differs from a planned bombing mission. In a planned bombing mission, an intelligence analyst--like me, I've done this--would have closely studied the target, checked it thoroughly in the database, prepared annotated photographs of the target, and literally spoon-fed the information to the aircrew. They would memorize it and go after it.
Now, it's possible that the intelligence analyst is given some erroneous basic information. For instance, remember the Chinese embassy in Belgrade that was erroneously struck during the Bosinian war? In that case, the target was intended to have been a Yugoslavian military administration building. In fact, there had formerly been a Yugoslavian military administration building at those precise coordinates. But since the last comprehensive report, the Yugoslavian government had sold the property to the Chinese. It had been the responsibility of a particular CIA analyst (we discovered his name) to send someone from the US embassy to actually read the sign on the gate and revise the database...but that guy failed to do so. Instead, he merely updated the record with NAC...No Apparent Change. So nobody in the targeting staff knew the building in the database at those coordinates was the new Chinese embassy.
But the problem with close air support is that it necessarily lacks preparation, even if everyone is doing their due diligence. Close air support must be fast, fast, fast, because presumably allied lives are being lost with every moment of delay. Someone on the ground is supposed to be looking at the threat and providing precise and reliable information on exactly where it is and what it looks like. So the CAS aircraft gets there asap and takes it out. In a lot of cases, they may never actually see the "bad guys." They go where the ground observer tells them and shoot the spot he directs them to.
In both cases, the aircrew depends on being given the correct information...with the exception that if the building is actually marked as directed by the Geneva Conventions, that is the final failsafe that will force them to question the information they've been given.
But to be sure, if it turns out they were operating on faulty direction--as in this case--then, yes, they'll feel guilty anyway.
Not one more American life should ever be put on the line for that region of the world.
The Arabs, so quick to rally and find common voice against Israel, can start putting some of their oil money to work to defeat extremism and terror in their own back yard. Maybe a few less indoor ski resorts in Dubai and a little more directed to defeating ISIS.
Enough American lives and treasure has been WASTED in that part of the world over the past 100 years. I don't care if an oppressive dictator comes to power and unites the entire region under Islamic rule so long as they keep to themselves and don't **** with Europe or the US. That's the natural state of existence for the Middle East and Muslim populations anyway - theocracy.
We should pull back and let them fend for themselves.Tired of being their scapegoats for everything gone wrong in that region anyway! We don't even need their damned oil anymore.
We had the chance with Sanders but cheated to make sure it didn't happen.
Please. Trump also ran on a platform of non-interventionalism.
The problem is once a politician "gets in" they ALWAYS bend towards the globalist/interventionalist powers that be.
Sanders is an undistinguished career politician from a state with less people than the county I live in. If you think he would have been "different," you are mistaken. He couldn't even stand up to the DNC. He would have easily buckled under the pressure of the entrenched interests.
I don't even buy the $$$$ argument. We spend a trillion dollars in Iraq... and we get what, in terms of a return on investment? We have definitely lost money on THAT.
Who is benefiting from Iraq? Private European and Chinese oil companies. We didn't even get the damn oil contracts!
This wasn't a bomb designed to destroy 20% of a building. At some point we are going to pay for this.
If words or policy in some way inspire ISIS, why is ISIS relentlessly hitting France and Germany with attacks, two countries that have rolled over like whipped dogs for Muslim immigrants?
If words or policy in some way inspire ISIS, why is ISIS relentlessly hitting Indonesia where the majority of citizens are Muslims?
Evil's always going to find an excuse to evil. And the desperate and weak-minded susceptible to being recruited will always be in possession of a trigger that can be pulled by a manipulative ISIS recruiter -- you know, like all those virgins at your disposal after you blow yourself up.
The corrupt national media knows this. But because they are activists eager to change the behavior of others to fit their simpering worldview, they whip out the emotional blackmail of, "This is why the terrorists hate us."
Liars to the core.
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