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Old 06-03-2017, 10:17 PM
 
Location: Living rent free in your head
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SSD is what the CHILDLESS use, precisely because it's the only welfare they can get. AFDC (now TANF) is what single parents sign up for; it is only AFTER they hit their TANF time limit they go on SSD.
SSD is Social Security Disability and requires paying into Social Security for 40 quarters
(10 years). Most young single parents on TANF don't have a 10 year work history and would only be eligible for SSI which pays around $780 a month but is rather difficult to get. Just losing your TANF is not a good enough reason to get SSI.
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Old 06-03-2017, 10:22 PM
 
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I have a distant family member in this situation. SEVEN children from FOUR fathers. Hasn't worked a day since she was 18. Lives off a combination of social benefits in a trailer out in the middle of nowhere. Three of her kids had their own kids before they were even 18. In addition to her kids left in the house, she's raising a couple of her grandkids now, with family members raising a couple others. Life revolves around visits to social services offices in a never-ending spate of interviews to squeeze additional funds for a variety of "disabilities".

She was a very good student with great prospects who went down the wrong path starting with her first child at 16. Even the early support of her parents couldn't right her ship. One child after another resulted in morbid obesity that became the reason why she can't work and needs help. Then one by one the kids were put through the system with one learning disability after another, resulting in lots of gov't handouts. She just had her seventh child at age 42.

Nothing she does makes sense and it's not due to any actual disability. Her "job" has simply become gaming the system.
This is why I am such a proponent of birth control. Having a child when you are too young and unmarried, or worse, multiple children is a ticket to poverty. Often a generational one. People don't want to give high school kids comprehensive sex education and ready access to reliable forms of contraception like the IUD or the pill because they are afraid it will encourage the teens to have sex. Realistically, teens need no encouragement and this sort of thing leads to generational poverty with people becoming grandparents in their early forties.
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Old 06-03-2017, 10:23 PM
 
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Cut off the money.
If you did they would be out writing bad checks, panhandling and probably selling their prescription pain meds. There's no good solution to this, but someone needs to call CPS and see about getting those kids out of that house.
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Old 06-03-2017, 10:23 PM
 
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If a person on disability can do stuff like stock shelves but the employer wants the shelves stocked in say 3 hours but it takes the disabled person a lot longer then the disabled person will still be unemployed. How is the person supposed to pay rent, utilities, buy food, etc. when the person is kicked off disability but still is unemployable by employer standards? Society is forcing people like me to be homeless and die in the streets or resort to crime for survival.

I was able to stock shelves, racks, etc. when I worked retail, but it took me nearly twice as long as other people due to the health problems. I was fired from every job. Wasn't my fault. I made myself physically ill trying to keep up with everyone else. I have no way to force anyone to hire and keep me nor can anyone else.

Someone in this thread questioned the definition of "disability". It's defined as the inability to engage in "Substantial Gainful Activity" (SGA), which effectively amounts (roughly) to the inability to earn a poverty level income. An applicant's skills are considered, and it's easier to qualify if your skills + your health make you unemployable by contemporary employer standards. A lot of people with, say, mobility limitations (like the shoulder injury mentioned earlier) could do work, but their skills and mobility limitations render them unwanted by employers.
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Old 06-03-2017, 10:24 PM
 
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This is why I am such a proponent of birth control. Having a child when you are too young and unmarried, or worse, multiple children is a ticket to poverty. Often a generational one. People don't want to give high school kids comprehensive sex education and ready access to reliable forms of contraception like the IUD or the pill because they are afraid it will encourage the teens to have sex. Realistically, teens need no encouragement and this sort of thing leads to generational poverty with people becoming grandparents in their early forties.
I agree and think that young women should get cash incentives for using LARC
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Old 06-03-2017, 10:29 PM
 
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How did HE get a mortgage?
Lol...your guess is as good as mine.
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Old 06-03-2017, 10:32 PM
 
Location: Austin TX
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I agree and think that young women should get cash incentives for using LARC
I agree! I'd be happy to support a monthly step-up in benefits for a woman willing to use long-term birth control. I don't give a crap about the long-winded rebuttals of "Eugenics!" or "Racism!" If a woman on welfare or disability sees the value in putting off pregnancy then make it a win-win and reward their responsibility.
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Old 06-03-2017, 10:48 PM
 
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SSD is Social Security Disability and requires paying into Social Security for 40 quarters
(10 years). Most young single parents on TANF don't have a 10 year work history and would only be eligible for SSI which pays around $780 a month but is rather difficult to get. Just losing your TANF is not a good enough reason to get SSI.
It pays max of $735/month.
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Old 06-03-2017, 10:55 PM
 
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It pays max of $735/month.
You are correct, I apologize for the $45 error
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Old 06-03-2017, 10:56 PM
 
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Someone in this thread questioned the definition of "disability". It's defined as the inability to engage in "Substantial Gainful Activity" (SGA), which effectively amounts (roughly) to the inability to earn a poverty level income. An applicant's skills are considered, and it's easier to qualify if your skills + your health make you unemployable by contemporary employer standards. A lot of people with, say, mobility limitations (like the shoulder injury mentioned earlier) could do work, but their skills and mobility limitations render them unwanted by employers.
That's the way SSA defines it officially, but the result of the last review I had they admitted I couldn't do previous work (which included desk jobs) but that I would have to "adapt" and that they were cutting me off. Their rehabilitation expert when I was put on disability determined that there were no reasonable accommodations that could be made where I could hold down a job. They are handing down a death sentence, literally, to me and if I lose the appeal I won't be able to survive it. I haven't even been offered employment since 2009. Employers will never hire and keep me because they have never been willing to do so and I'm worse off medically than when I was first approved for disability. So, SSA is kicking people off even when they admit they haven't got better. A legal aid lawyer is now helping me but says the appeal could go either way. Common sense should say I couldn't ever hold down a job with all these health problems. I have never been able to have SGA.
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