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Old 06-11-2017, 02:38 PM
 
Location: Florida
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Originally Posted by Tom Lennox 70 View Post
I truly believe this is a ploy by liberals and Democrats to gain and hold power. THey've tried to push for Washington DC to be a state for a long time and have failed and now they want to try with Puerto Rico. Because the left moving Democrat Party can no longer appeal to the average American, they have to resort to these games.
Read up a little. The Democrats in PR are opposed to them becoming a State. The New Progressive Party which is pushing for Statehood, and holds 2/3 of seats in their government, is right-wing.

 
Old 06-11-2017, 02:42 PM
 
Location: Florida
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Puerto rico is a beautiful place ruined by leftists and progressives just like Venezuela.
Right wingers hold power in their government, but I guess its easier to blame others for their short comings.
 
Old 06-11-2017, 02:54 PM
 
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1) ...... the White trash states down South and in Appalachia? Or are those states different just because they are populated by White people? .
Any possibility of a lucid discussion died right there.
 
Old 06-11-2017, 02:56 PM
 
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Amazing how the liberal media isn't covering their new referendum that's happening today in Puerto Rico where they're going to vote AGAIN on statehood. It seems like statehood is becoming more and more popular but if this referendum passes, Congress should NOT allow Puerto Rico to be a state.

- The American flag looks perfect the way it is now

- Puerto Rico is a very left-wing place politically. Allowing them to be a state means that the Democrats will have a permanent advantage in the Electoral College and in Congress as the new Senate and House seats allotted to them will be filled by Democrats. Puerto Rican voters are also susceptible to the Democrats' racial politics and stand in racial solidarity with illegal Mexicans and Central Americans in favor of illegal immigration and things like the Dream Act and illegal alien amnesty.

- This will be adding another non-English speaking area to the U.S. and will undermine efforts to make English the official language of America

- Yes, Puerto Ricans will have to pay federal taxes if they're a state but they are an economic basket case and will receive far more in federal funds than they pay in. It will be a financial black hole for the American taxpayer, a large version of Detroit, Chicago, Newark or the Bronx.

I truly believe this is a ploy by liberals and Democrats to gain and hold power. THey've tried to push for Washington DC to be a state for a long time and have failed and now they want to try with Puerto Rico. Because the left moving Democrat Party can no longer appeal to the average American, they have to resort to these games.

Though I'm open to allowing Puerto Rico to be a state in exchange for New Jersey or California leaving and taking their electoral votes and Congresional representation away.

So in short your entire post is partisan and has nothing to do with PR, and everything to do with supporting your party over country and culture.
 
Old 06-11-2017, 02:56 PM
 
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I live in texas and our state pays more taxes than 12 of the 19 blue states combined , has a larger gsp than a great deal of states combined and we have tons of retirees and military veterans and bases receiving federal money yet we still get 9 cents on the dollar back in taxes we send to Washington. How much of the people receiving federal welfare benefits ( most federal money is in from of retiree and miltary spending ) vote blue?

The problems of puerto rico were caused by progressives and vieques protests causing the naval bases like roosevelt roads to close and losing thousands of jobs, a massive welfare state, everyone and their grandmother working for the government and huge pension problems, enormous government spending and debt. Puerto rico is a beautiful place ruined by leftists and progressives just like Venezuela.


with all due respect, isn't welfare a federal matter? they write the checks and make the laws and rules.......what does that has to do in giving 3.5 million U.S. Citizens full representation and a voice over the federal laws they have to obey and live by?


poverty or economical status has nothing to do in giving millions of U.S. Citizens full representation and full access to the nation that rules over them for over 1 century.


your excuse was used to deny U.S. Citizenship and basic rights to former black slaves.....some wanted to send them back to Africa and ignore their rights in this nation......some of the reasons used: they are poor, they are uneducated, they are not compatible to the American culture....the list of ignorance was long.


If we deny rights of U.S. Citizens because their state or local government are leftists progressive then you have to kick out of the union half of the states in this country starting with California and strip over 150 million U.S. citizens of their representation and rights under the federal laws they have to obey and live under.
 
Old 06-11-2017, 02:56 PM
 
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Read up a little. The Democrats in PR are opposed to them becoming a State. The New Progressive Party which is pushing for Statehood, and holds 2/3 of seats in their government, is right-wing.
He's talking about what democrats in the 50 states want, and that is more electoral votes. What anyone in Puerto Rico wants is a moot point if US legislators don't want it.
 
Old 06-11-2017, 03:03 PM
 
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this is simple to comprehend.......does 3.5 million U.S. CITIZENS have a right for full representation and a voice over the federal government and federal laws that have ruled over them for over 1 century.

The same federal laws that have recruited them into wars since WW 1 when they never had a voice or representation in congress.


This has nothing to do if they are poor or rich or whatever because the Federal Government has the ultimate jurisdiction on all matters in Puerto Rico since 1898......if things are this way that is the creation of the federal government. That doesn't negate the rights for millions of U.S. Citizens to finally be represented and have a voice over the federal laws they have to live under and obey for over 1 century.
 
Old 06-11-2017, 03:04 PM
 
Location: Florida
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He's talking about what democrats in the 50 states want, and that is more electoral votes. What anyone in Puerto Rico wants is a moot point if US legislators don't want it.
Pure speculation. PR Dems are very conservative socially, so it is not a given they'd vote Dem in US elections, and it is not a given US Dems support the Statehood idea.
 
Old 06-11-2017, 03:11 PM
 
Location: On a Long Island in NY
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Pure speculation. PR Dems are very conservative socially, so it is not a given they'd vote Dem in US elections, and it is not a given US Dems support the Statehood idea.
^ this is something alot of people overlook. The PDP are officially Democrats but they are more like Joe Manchin than Nancy Pelosi. They are basically old school Southern Democrats like LBJ.

In essence, Puerto Rican politics are stuck in time. The PDP are 1960s Democrats from just after the Civil Rights Act and the NPP are 1960s Republicans from just before the Civil Rights Act.
 
Old 06-11-2017, 03:15 PM
 
Location: Native of Any Beach/FL
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Puerto Rico should not be granted statehood until it would rank, upon entry, in the top 20% of US states in credit rating.

Its a basket case economically. Let it fix that itself before any consideration is given to statehood.
As if the homeland - did not have anything to do with it? multitudes have to olrn and NY area and it has not stopped- let it become a state- and its not the only state economically in the dumps- but as a state i could do better
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