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Old 06-23-2017, 01:21 PM
 
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Originally Posted by agnostic soldier View Post
What the anti gun crowd doesn't understand is that you aren't taking guns away from criminals; you're taking guns away from law abiding citizens who can use them to protect against violent criminals. Criminals will just get guns illegally if they're outlawed. Banning guns also doesn't reduce the amount of crime; all it does is make criminals resort to using other weapons.
A lot of the anti-gun crowd knows this. They are either criminals too and don't want someone to ward off what they do or they are the type that doesn't care if you are killed by a criminal but don't want you to accidentally kill them when you're shooting at the criminal.

I went through years of state approved violence at the hands of the thing while people watched it happen and did nothing. I wasn't worth saving to anyone. I was also too young to purchase a gun so I had no means to protect myself. Then, after I was old enough to purchase a gun, I had moderate to severe PTSD from the thing and what he and those that took his side did to me. They tried to prevent me from having a gun for that reason even though the thing was still harassing me up until few years ago. They don't want people to be able to defend themselves.

 
Old 07-21-2017, 02:30 AM
 
Location: Florida
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I have to give them credit on this one. An lone, overweight, elderly man armed with a knife or baseball bat, running around a baseball field trying to attack Congresspeople probably young enough to be his children? Laughable, but put a gun in his hand and it is deadly.

THIS is the real issue, not politics, not religion, not even mental illness. Guns. Sorry, NRA, MORE guns are not the solution. "Rounding Third, Carrying an AK-47, and Headed for Home" ???????? NO, NRA. LESS guns is what is needed.

I am a Sanders supporter, who voted for Hillary. Senseless Violence, be that against a Democrat, Republican, Black Churchgoers, or School Children.

Eliminate the MEANS, and the Motive becomes Moot.
Evidence?
 
Old 07-21-2017, 06:02 AM
 
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Originally Posted by Jo48 View Post
I have to give them credit on this one. An lone, overweight, elderly man armed with a knife or baseball bat, running around a baseball field trying to attack Congresspeople probably young enough to be his children? Laughable, but put a gun in his hand and it is deadly.

THIS is the real issue, not politics, not religion, not even mental illness. Guns. Sorry, NRA, MORE guns are not the solution. "Rounding Third, Carrying an AK-47, and Headed for Home" ???????? NO, NRA. LESS guns is what is needed.

I am a Sanders supporter, who voted for Hillary. Senseless Violence, be that against a Democrat, Republican, Black Churchgoers, or School Children.

Eliminate the MEANS, and the Motive becomes Moot.
"I am a Sanders supporter, who voted for Hillary."

Explains your twisted feelings about guns.

"Eliminate the MEANS, and the Motive becomes Moot."

The war on drugs has been waging for how long?

If those drugs are illegal why is there so much of it?
 
Old 07-21-2017, 06:05 AM
 
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No point for you maybe but you don't speak for me or anyone else on this country. Or is the first amendment just toilet paper to you?

There needs to be much better regulation of guns. Most countries with more guns are not more but less safe. Restricting high capacity assault weapons is a good start.
"Restricting high capacity assault weapons is a good start."

There ALREADY IS "high restrictions" on these guns.

I have the feeling you don't know much about guns.

Being you exercised your right under the 1st Amendment, let's take EVERY law about guns and apply them to the 1st Amendment.
 
Old 07-21-2017, 06:09 AM
 
Location: annandale, va & slidell, la
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Originally Posted by Jo48 View Post
I have to give them credit on this one. An lone, overweight, elderly man armed with a knife or baseball bat, running around a baseball field trying to attack Congresspeople probably young enough to be his children? Laughable, but put a gun in his hand and it is deadly.

THIS is the real issue, not politics, not religion, not even mental illness. Guns. Sorry, NRA, MORE guns are not the solution. "Rounding Third, Carrying an AK-47, and Headed for Home" ???????? NO, NRA. LESS guns is what is needed.

I am a Sanders supporter, who voted for Hillary. Senseless Violence, be that against a Democrat, Republican, Black Churchgoers, or School Children.

Eliminate the MEANS, and the Motive becomes Moot.
Moving to a country without a Constitution? Your solution is not welcome here.
 
Old 07-21-2017, 06:10 AM
 
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Why do you want to own a gun? Just because I want one and it is my right? Not good enough. Establish a NEED, as many state do have on the books.

It certainly should be interesting to see the NRA response to this. I also read that this man was an out of state resident, meaning he had to take his guns across state lines, which NRA thinks should be legal across state lines. Do you favor that also? Carry permits universal across the country?

You cannot escape this issue. Gun control.
" Not good enough."

Sorry, the 2ndamnement says otherwise.

" Establish a NEED, as many state do have on the books."

Show them, the states and the laws.
 
Old 07-21-2017, 06:16 AM
 
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A gun is a tool, it allows one to be separate from the situation and be in some control of it.
 
Old 07-21-2017, 06:16 AM
 
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I'm not for banning guns but I am for:
1. People purchasing them legally (close all loopholes)
2. People who have a mental capacity (i.e. As determined by a doctor) should not be allowed to purchase one
3. All people who submit to bying one need to go to a mandatory training program.
"3. All people who submit to bying one need to go to a mandatory training program"

OK, lets apply the SAME to the 1st Amendment.

Before you can post on here about guns, you have to have go to a mandatory training program and prove you know what you are talking about.

The 2nd Amendment WAS made second after Freedom of Speach, for a reason.
 
Old 07-21-2017, 06:17 AM
 
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Originally Posted by Quick Enough View Post
"3. All people who submit to bying one need to go to a mandatory training program"

OK, lets apply the SAME to the 1st Amendment.

Before you can post on here about guns, you have to have go to a mandatory training program and prove you know what you are talking about.

The 2nd Amendment WAS made second after Freedom of Speach, for a reason.
Silly illogical argument -- lol.

Why not apply the same logic of training/time period as we do for driving to gun ownership.
 
Old 07-21-2017, 06:19 AM
 
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I know, crazy talk huh?!?! Seems like simple common sense changes needed for the 2nd...
"Seems like simple common sense changes needed for the 2nd.."

According to who? You? I don't think so.
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