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I actually would like to do that, and I hope anyone who is thinking about owning a gun does do that training! Though living in NYC, I don't see myself owning a gun anytime soon.
Yeah you probably won't find that anywhere in NY state period. Thank Cuomo for that.
Not to be rude to you but your reply did come off a bit arrogant, I just want to say this right now to the likes of don...
Flag all of the statistics you want. Believe all the rhetoric and throw all the scenarios out you want...
I'm only one of how many law abiding gun owners? I'm willing to back my claims and my abilities up. Start browsing youtube channels and see folks do 3 gun competitions, and IDPA and other various shooting sports. Then look at guys in Texas who rent helicopters and shoot wild boars running full tilt from moving or stationary helicopters.
This whole blind ignorance that gun owners all are unqualified or unfit to protect themselves or others and can't hit the broad side of a barn... and remind you. That's a very small percentage of folks who record their hobbies and actions...
Don't ever ASSUME.
I'm not cocky, I'm confident. Do I brag. Sure. Can fault me for pride I could care less.
I've trained both my 70 year old mother and my little sister. They're proficient. My sister was a former paintball speedball champion. In an active shooter scenario, I have NO doubt in my mind she'd shoot and move and take a bad guy out.
What stops most people from putting a bad guy down isn't fear of the situation. The liability of the situation. Wake up. We're a sue happy nation. I could be in a mall parking lot and a rabid gunman open fire from cover. I take him out I guarantee someone who's a parent with kids will place a lawsuit and hold me responsible for traumatizing their little Johnny or Sally. Then there's the wild gunmans family who will lawyer up and Sue for everything under the sun. Lawyers make money... they're blood sucking thieves. They have no qualms taking a case like that on. Unfortunately judges and jury's can be pandered and persuaded by emotions instead of logic and fact. Add in the fact no 2 human bodies are the same density... There's the risk of over penetration and yes striking a bystander. However the ammo I carry every day is designed to dump all of its energy and fragment within the first couple of inches so that over penetration isn't as big of an issue, the ammo I have in my EDCs are deemed felony material back in NY.
Especially have to worry these days when there's borderline mentally ill weaklings out there like this Gersh Kuntzman who claims PTSD after firing an AR.
Yes, because you are trying to add in suicides into a narrative that fits your agenda.....if you take the 15k suicides out, and only provide those that killed someone other than themselves, well that 15k does not look as good as 30k....
Read above, attempt to comprehend....
"Originally Posted by chucksnee An absolutely 100% false narrative....
Yes, there have been more gun deaths, than terroist killings....
However, your chart is also showing suscides.....but you knew that...just did not care....
ANd you're missing 14, 15, 16, and 17.....not that it will make a difference....
But it's still the fact that you are not being intellectual honest..."
Suicide by gun is a statistic, I don't see that it is dishonest. If you don't think that suicides should be included then make your case and explain.
Yeah you probably won't find that anywhere in NY state period. Thank Cuomo for that.
Not to be rude to you but your reply did come off a bit arrogant, I just want to say this right now to the likes of don...
Flag all of the statistics you want. Believe all the rhetoric and throw all the scenarios out you want...
I'm only one of how many law abiding gun owners? I'm willing to back my claims and my abilities up. Start browsing youtube channels and see folks do 3 gun competitions, and IDPA and other various shooting sports. Then look at guys in Texas who rent helicopters and shoot wild boars running full tilt from moving or stationary helicopters.
This whole blind ignorance that gun owners all are unqualified or unfit to protect themselves or others and can't hit the broad side of a barn... and remind you. That's a very small percentage of folks who record their hobbies and actions...
Don't ever ASSUME.
I'm not cocky, I'm confident. Do I brag. Sure. Can fault me for pride I could care less.
I've trained both my 70 year old mother and my little sister. They're proficient. My sister was a former paintball speedball champion. In an active shooter scenario, I have NO doubt in my mind she'd shoot and move and take a bad guy out.
What stops most people from putting a bad guy down isn't fear of the situation. The liability of the situation. Wake up. We're a sue happy nation. I could be in a mall parking lot and a rabid gunman open fire from cover. I take him out I guarantee someone who's a parent with kids will place a lawsuit and hold me responsible for traumatizing their little Johnny or Sally. Then there's the wild gunmans family who will lawyer up and Sue for everything under the sun. Lawyers make money... they're blood sucking thieves. They have no qualms taking a case like that on. Unfortunately judges and jury's can be pandered and persuaded by emotions instead of logic and fact. Add in the fact no 2 human bodies are the same density... There's the risk of over penetration and yes striking a bystander. However the ammo I carry every day is designed to dump all of its energy and fragment within the first couple of inches so that over penetration isn't as big of an issue, the ammo I have in my EDCs are deemed felony material back in NY.
Especially have to worry these days when there's borderline mentally ill weaklings out there like this Gersh Kuntzman who claims PTSD after firing an AR.
I certainly hope most gun owners are like you. I suppose I'm a bit of a cynic when I imagine the "average person owning a gun", and don't trust most people to actually undergo the training they should.
I'm by no means against the right of people to own guns, and will admit I was being a snarky jerk. EDIT: I'll also add that I have a hard time not making fun of internet tough guys (which definitely applies to certain people in this thread)
Last edited by Valhallian; 06-16-2017 at 10:30 AM..
Thank you, you just made my point exactly ! If 4 police officers, who have more experience handling weapons than Joe Average, need to fire 41 rounds and miss more than half the time, then how well do you think Granny will fare when she starts to spray ammo all over the place ?
Like I said, I would fare better with the bad guy than a bunch of unskilled, armed citizens who have absolutely no idea what the Hell they are doing, especially in a panic situation where everyone is going crazy. This ain't the old west.
I don't want someone that has been waiting his entire life to use his gun in a dangerous situation to prove himself. I am going with LE rather than someone that thinks he is an expert because he went to a firing range.
Suicides would simply shift over to OD or hangings if guns weren't available. Ridiculous to even have that conversation.
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