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I'm with you on the moral choice, but not on the cost drop argument. You mention 'other advanced nations', and I can tell you (born and raised in Europe) the horrors of European Health Care.
But moral choice: a lot of liberals are defending the poor. How about me, the middle class? I don't get any subsidies and if I would need to shop for ACA I would get an insurance with a 5 figure or close to deductible, and a 4 figure or close to monthly premium. Before ACA I had a lot more options.
THAT is the reason why the majority of Americans reject ACA, threw Dems out of the Congress/Senate and elected President Trump.
Is the AHCA the solution? No, it's a compromise. But it's a million times better than ACA.
How is AHCA a better solution? It means that young healthy people (men) will likely pay less. But that assumes they don't fall to an addiction, become mentally ill, or become ill during a period without insurance, because none of that will be covered.
Yup. Lose your job, or have something that causes you to not be able to pay for insurance for a couple months? No insurance for you for 6 months.
I understand the desired purpose, however the results will kill people. Sick people often have a hard time keeping their employment. This change will kill many of those.
What are you whining about? If you didn't buy Obama's mess in a certain time window, you couldn't buy jack all for another year. Stop the hypocrisy.
Other nations may have ok healthcare but why do those that can afford it come here for services instead?
Certainly not all that can afford it. Plenty of well-to-do Germans, Brits etc. stay at home and receive top-notch care. But you do have a point: The US system has excelled in providing very good healthcare to the very rich. Turns out that's a fairly easy problem to solve.
I'm with you on the moral choice, but not on the cost drop argument. You mention 'other advanced nations', and I can tell you (born and raised in Europe) the horrors of European Health Care.
But moral choice: a lot of liberals are defending the poor. How about me, the middle class? I don't get any subsidies and if I would need to shop for ACA I would get an insurance with a 5 figure or close to deductible, and a 4 figure or close to monthly premium. Before ACA I had a lot more options.
THAT is the reason why the majority of Americans reject ACA, threw Dems out of the Congress/Senate and elected President Trump.
Is the AHCA the solution? No, it's a compromise. But it's a million times better than ACA.
to be fair if the Republicans did not spend the last 6 years ensuring your rates went up instead of allowing Obama to fix ACA there would be no problem, but then the Rs would not have had the rally point they needed to get elected.
The Rs spent six years blocking Obama from adjusting, repairing the fledgling ACA. Nor did the republicans come up with solutions or fixes themselves.
Instead they worked day and night to make it fail, and missed no chance to attack it, to sue or do whatever they could to ensure their electorates would see ACA as a failed or broken promise.
And frankly it worked, the Rs threw America under the bus to get elected to office and it worked. Better yet they closed down government, blocked expanded medicaid, blocked funding and even changed the name of ACA in a number of states to hide its successes from those who received them.
thinks about that? the Republican invented ACA , Obama stole the idea and ran with it, so the Republicans hated him and did everything they could to break it. Now they are using this GOP created hardship as an excuse to defund public healthcare and give a huge tax break to the very wealthy.
As to the EU, sorry buddy i have a solid 20 years in the EU, i know two healthcare systems very well and one in passing. They are very strong , very cheap and if you are middle class and european most nations have systems to allow you to pay a little more and get much faster service and nicer rooms too. I know because i did it. And most of my middle class friends , family etc did it too. But yes the poor in the EU may sometimes wait longer, and may even lose out if they are not proactive. But they are covered and every single EU nation has much cheaper coverage than the USA and you KNOW that is 100% true. your bang for the buck in the EU is vastly better than the USA. VASTLY.
And remember in the EU the systems that are not working very well are not working because their government are choosing not to fully fund them. Not because the system is broken, and those underfunded systems would still be much cheaper if fully funded. the EU has a funding issue not a structural issue, i think you already knew that though...
What are you whining about? If you didn't buy Obama's mess in a certain time window, you couldn't buy jack all for another year. Stop the hypocrisy.
What do you mean by this... If you lose employment, you have a special period for buying a health plan on the individual exchange outside of the normal open enrollment period. With this amendment, if you don't buy insurance for 2 months +, they force you to wait 6 months when you do finally apply.
Certainly not all that can afford it. Plenty of well-to-do Germans, Brits etc. stay at home and receive top-notch care. But you do have a point: The US system has excelled in providing very good healthcare to the very rich. Turns out that's a fairly easy problem to solve.
I knew a well-to-do German who had a quadruple bypass in Lexington, KY because his wait at home was longer than he wanted.
I knew a well-to-do German who had a quadruple bypass in Lexington, KY because his wait was longer than he wanted.
I'm sure that you do...
Just so you know, Germany uses a multi-payer system with a mix not for profit providers, employer based and private insurers. And 76% of people can get next day appointments there compared to 48% in the US. Here's the back-up.
Another fun fact: The US employs coronary bypass surgery at a rate nearly 10 times that of other countries, but has a one year mortality rate that is nearly identical. Mortality Statistics on Bypass Surgery
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