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Trump has nothing to do with this. It is the responsibility of the Congress to present a bill for him to sign. President Trump has never threatened to veto anything.
Agree.
I cannot believe that the Speaker of the House brings a bill to the new President and says " I have a good bill. It will pass. I have the votes. Let's do this one first. " and the Speaker can't even get his own party to run it through.
If I didn't hope better, I would say it was deliberate and for political reasons. Even a lawyer knows that you don't ask a question to the witness that you don't know the answer to. Shouldn't the Speaker know whether he really has the votes or not? And isn't that what the Whip does, count votes?
The President called congress critters, had them in to dinner, went public with yeh rah comments, had rallies. He sent a proposal to the house. He did his part. Congress critters of both houses shoulder all the blame for this and best get cracking on doing something ... For their own good.
But I agree, Pres Trump put forth the effort but I am not sure that his real interest was what was in the bill but more in getting a bill passed.
There has always been a disconnect between the voters/supporters and what the donor class wants. In this case, however, the donor class is getting more powerful. Trump has even admitted to being part of the donor class. Articles: Trump and the Rise of the Donor Class
Feel free to correct me. This is my theory. Most Presidents were recipients of the donor class. Trump IS the donor class. He has a history of being a very corrupt business man. There are likely members of the Republican Party who understand that getting more voters, being a better party, means toning down incendiary rhetoric, being more civil, expanding the voter base. And then there are those who feel free to keep the voting base as it is. And then there is Trump, who has alienated many people, and doesn't really care. What many don't understand is that now the donor class is at war with one of its own.
I primarily agree with you.
Except that Trump has caved in. He had bragged that he was beholding to no one, a self financed campaign. A lot of people admired him for it, he was going to save us from this warped crooked system and drain the swamp.
Then he decided he was not going to commit any more shekels to his campaign and accepted enormous donations and we see what we have ... no less than three members of his cabinet from Goldman Sachs (THE Goldman Sachs, the one 'crooked Hillary' made that speech to ...), and one notable appointment from the Petrochemical industry.
Trumps 'kitchen cabinet' is full of well heeled casino operators and other big money friends.
The thing is, Mr Trump rode a wave of discontentment to victory, but he is not what he portrayed himself to be. He has chastised congress, rightly so, for trying to get rid of the independent ethics commission, and he called the House healthcare bill 'mean', but he has not threatened to veto any legislation that will hurt the voters. He will sign anything they care to send to his desk, as long as that big tax break is written into it ...
I expect those tensions will increase quite a bit in coming months. As failure after failure heap up, tRump and congress will each be looking at the other to shift the blame.
Indeed. Success breeds success and this was a tremendous failure for Trump and the Pubs.
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Trump is due for another rally to pump himself up cause the job can be a real drag.
Next week. Youngstown, OH,
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The bully pulpit, it's a thing. Part of the President's job is to work with Congress to avoid this sort of repeated, humiliating defeat. He's not supposed to lean back and wait for something to pop up to sign, he's supposed to be able to mediate, get congressmen in line, offer sticks and carrots both.
But you're saying the author (hah!) of "The Art of the Deal" couldn't close the deal? Are you beginning to realize that you've been had?
Instead of talking about crowd size and Hillary - Trump should have been constantly talking and tweeting about how great the HC bill was. But he was too lazy.
TODAY ~ he used the bully pulpit to talk about some (fantasy) healthcare bill ~ but it sure wasn't the same bill the Republican Senate has been working on!
Not to worry, he's also said "I don't stand by anything".
What I'm going to say is not coming from a liberal slant. I've grown more Independent in my political views. I feel like I have to tolerate that Trump is the President. I feel like this will be the long 4 to 8 years of my life. And the thing is, I know many people are going to call me a "snowflake" or other insult. I know there are many who have no empathy. This election merely highlights who deep the divides in this nation have always been. I look at the things Trump has said, and the way he conducts himself, it scares me. I've wondered if he would carry this same brutish behavior to the White House.
Yes, unfortunately, Trump not only couldn't create a health-care plan (this is the problem of electing someone with zero expertise), but also never even understood it. Let's face it - he has the bad combination of being not very bright and not being capable of sustained study.
He must be a little surprised to find that the bullying tactics of a sleazy developer aren't so suited to the White House.
Except that Trump has caved in. He had bragged that he was beholding to no one, a self financed campaign. A lot of people admired him for it, he was going to save us from this warped crooked system and drain the swamp.
Then he decided he was not going to commit any more shekels to his campaign and accepted enormous donations and we see what we have ... no less than three members of his cabinet from Goldman Sachs (THE Goldman Sachs, the one 'crooked Hillary' made that speech to ...), and one notable appointment from the Petrochemical industry.
Trumps 'kitchen cabinet' is full of well heeled casino operators and other big money friends.
The thing is, Mr Trump rode a wave of discontentment to victory, but he is not what he portrayed himself to be. He has chastised congress, rightly so, for trying to get rid of the independent ethics commission, and he called the House healthcare bill 'mean', but he has not threatened to veto any legislation that will hurt the voters. He will sign anything they care to send to his desk, as long as that big tax break is written into it ...
It goes to him playing his constituents like a drum. In some ways, it makes me wonder about these things. He rode a wave of discontent. I would say that he appealed to some people who think and act like he does. That does scare me because I can find those kind of individuals in my community. This is the kind of fear, discontent, and chaos that I see. A kind of chaos that reflects what was always there in the first place. 2015-2016 has been a particularly histrionic time.
Well he invited the 52 republican senators to the White House for lunch today, maybe they make amends.
Would have been a better statement to invite all Senators.
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